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Old 11-03-2010, 08:47 PM
 
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Oh, here's the saga of "lost machines of Lorton." Probably Connolly's ace in the hole from the beginning, just in case the race got close, which was always likely.

Connolly's Slight Lead Widens -- Slightly | NBC Washington
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:04 PM
 
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What I didnt like about this race was the LIES that Connolly had to come up with to win. It is one thing to be negative in campaigning. It is another thing to lie.

The one commercial made by Connolly painted the pro-life views of Fimian as "extreme" and his views that abortion should be illegal in all cases as "beyond extreme".

This is an outright lie and Connolly knows it. Opinion polls generally have Americans divided between pro-life and pro-choice at 50/50. Some have pro-life in a slim majority, some have pro-choice as a slim majority. Having pro-life viewpoints would NOT be extreme since it is held by nearly a majority. Extreme views implies viewpoints on a far out fringe. If being pro-life is "extreme", than nearly 50% or more of Americans are "extreme".

Where Connolly is correct is that his description of Fimian's view that abortion should be illegal in all cases is extreme. About 10-20%, depending on the polls describe themselves as pro-life in all cases and pro-choice in all cases. The majority, about 60-80%, believe it should be legal ether with some or heavy restrictions. So while Fimian's views would be in the extreme on this, so would Connolly's since Connolly is pro-choice in all cases, which is also extreme. But, it is not "beyond extreme" since it is not that small of a fringe that believes this. 10-20% is low but not beyond extreme.

Connolly's ads about Fimian's failed business practices are good political ads. It paints what Fimian will do as a representative. His past is a preview of what his future will likely be. You run for office on your past record.

What makes me upset is when Connolly paints nearly half or more of his constituents as "extreme". If the ad only attacked his view that abortion should illegal in all cases as extreme, that would be fair game since it is technically true. But he attacked his general pro-life view as extreme. Mudslinging like that and insulting your constituents is why Connolly found himself less than 500 votes from defeat.

If you consider people on the opposite extreme, then there is no room for compromise. When a viewpoint held by nearly 50% or more of the country is described as extreme, we are nearing a point where the two sides cannot co-exist and compromise. We need to move from "extreme" to "disagree".
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:35 PM
 
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What I didnt like about this race was the LIES that Connolly had to come up with to win. It is one thing to be negative in campaigning. It is another thing to lie.

Connolly's ads about Fimian's failed business practices are good political ads. It paints what Fimian will do as a representative. His past is a preview of what his future will likely be. You run for office on your past record.
Actually those commercials were misrepresentative too. U.S. Inspect has done over two millon home inspections, and 40 of their customers have sued, often not validly, often in small claims court. I think most of us know someone who is lawsuit-happy. Any company would be overjoyed to have such a good track record! The liens were placed on the company because some subcontractors who Fimian had already paid did not pay their taxes, and since the IRS couldn't track them down they hit up the "deep-pockets" company instead. So the company had to pay the amount of the taxes twice. It actually would make a good issue, in terms of how the government can unfairly penalize companies. As for corporate status being revoked in Arkansas, that was done voluntarily by the company.

One thing that's sad is that newspapers rarely make an attempt to investigate anything anymore. All of the information to refute Connolly's claims has been readily available for months, but all the Post wants to report about, if they bother to report at all, is who's ahead. Local TV channels are too busy reporting lifestyle pieces and celebrity gossip to investigate anything.
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:40 PM
 
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What I didnt like about this race was the LIES that Connolly had to come up with to win. It is one thing to be negative in campaigning. It is another thing to lie.

The one commercial made by Connolly painted the pro-life views of Fimian as "extreme" and his views that abortion should be illegal in all cases as "beyond extreme".

This is an outright lie and Connolly knows it. Opinion polls generally have Americans divided between pro-life and pro-choice at 50/50. Some have pro-life in a slim majority, some have pro-choice as a slim majority. Having pro-life viewpoints would NOT be extreme since it is held by nearly a majority. Extreme views implies viewpoints on a far out fringe. If being pro-life is "extreme", than nearly 50% or more of Americans are "extreme".

Where Connolly is correct is that his description of Fimian's view that abortion should be illegal in all cases is extreme. About 10-20%, depending on the polls describe themselves as pro-life in all cases and pro-choice in all cases. The majority, about 60-80%, believe it should be legal ether with some or heavy restrictions. So while Fimian's views would be in the extreme on this, so would Connolly's since Connolly is pro-choice in all cases, which is also extreme. But, it is not "beyond extreme" since it is not that small of a fringe that believes this. 10-20% is low but not beyond extreme.

What makes me upset is when Connolly paints nearly half or more of his constituents as "extreme". If the ad only attacked his view that abortion should illegal in all cases as extreme, that would be fair game since it is technically true. But he attacked his general pro-life view as extreme. Mudslinging like that and insulting your constituents is why Connolly found himself less than 500 votes from defeat.

If you consider people on the opposite extreme, then there is no room for compromise. When a viewpoint held by nearly 50% or more of the country is described as extreme, we are nearing a point where the two sides cannot co-exist and compromise. We need to move from "extreme" to "disagree".
Good points. And women are actually more pro-life than men. There was a Connolly radio ad with two women having lunch and one asks if the other has followed the campaign, and the other replies no, who has time? I thought that was pretty insulting, that women just don't bother to pay attention.
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Old 11-04-2010, 12:08 AM
 
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And women are actually more pro-life than men.
More like men are oblivious to it. Based on what you see advertised to us on TV, we're only interested in beer, guns, sports, trucks, and lawn care. I've never heard two or a group of guys by themselves talk about that issue. Probably best left for women to work out anyway.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:06 AM
 
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More like men are oblivious to it. Based on what you see advertised to us on TV, we're only interested in beer, guns, sports, trucks, and lawn care. I've never heard two or a group of guys by themselves talk about that issue. Probably best left for women to work out anyway.
no, thats been the problem. Abortion is everyone's problem not just womens
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Old 11-04-2010, 05:46 AM
 
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Is the machine was broken thing for real?
The news accounts I've read have all said the same thing - they had problems with two machines.

Connolly, Fimian "confident" of win | InsideNova
The latest unofficial election results from the Virginia State Board of Elections (http://www2.insidenova.com/topics/types/organization/tags/virginia-state-board-of-elections/ - broken link) have Connolly 921 votes ahead of Fimian (http://www2.insidenova.com/topics/types/person/tags/keith-fimian/ - broken link).

Vote counting was suspended in two Fairfax County (http://www2.insidenova.com/topics/types/provinceorstate/tags/fairfax-county/ - broken link) precincts late Tuesday night because of malfunctioning voting machines.

Fairfax County (http://www2.insidenova.com/topics/types/provinceorstate/tags/fairfax-county/ - broken link) voting officials finished the tally Wednesday morning, but the election won’t be official until it is certified on Nov. 22, said state board of elections spokeswoman (http://www2.insidenova.com/topics/types/position/tags/elections-spokeswoman/ - broken link) Susan Pollard (http://www2.insidenova.com/topics/types/person/tags/susan-pollard/ - broken link).

Connolly and Fimian (http://www2.insidenova.com/topics/types/person/tags/keith-fimian/ - broken link) are currently less than one half of a percent apart, which means that Fimian (http://www2.insidenova.com/topics/types/person/tags/keith-fimian/ - broken link) could ask for a recount, but he has to wait until the election is certified, Pollard (http://www2.insidenova.com/topics/types/person/tags/susan-pollard/ - broken link) said.

“They have 10 days from certification — which should be Dec. 2 — to ask for a recount,” she said.

Pollard (http://www2.insidenova.com/topics/types/person/tags/susan-pollard/ - broken link) said candidates must ask for recounts — they don’t happen automatically.
I suspect there will be a recount - the voting was just too close for there NOT to be a recount. But going by the timeline above, we won't know the final, official winner until mid- to late-December.
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Old 11-04-2010, 07:58 PM
 
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That report was as of Wednesday evening. Today, Thursday, the vote had narrowed to 400, and that was as of mid-day. I also understand they are counting the absentee ballots right now.
All the major publications will not call this race. There's a reason why.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:53 PM
 
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MSNBC called it for Connolly. The Virginia Board of Elections site says that with 100% of the vote counted, Connolly is leading 111,630 to 110,700.

https://www.voterinfo.sbe.virginia.g...cial/6_s.shtml

I don't know if they will have a recount.

WaPo is reporting that "The electoral boards in the counties and Fairfax City are not expected to finish canvassing until Friday at the earliest."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110407962.html
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:27 PM
 
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MSNBC called it for Connolly.
That's not a surprise.
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