I'm a bit surprised NOVA localities haven't changed Confederate names (Richmond: school, live)

[Caladium]

LOL at Traitorland--sounds like a great name if Disney wants a new theme park!

[oneasterisk]

Originally Posted by Yankeesfan

Yes, but they were fighting for freedom, something to be proud of. Not fighting for the right to enslave people. (Cue the apologists and deniers who will claim the war wasn't about slavery ... bottom line, had there been no slavery, there would have been no war.)

Ha, but they were all slave owners. They wanted to be free to be slave owners without sending tax money to Britain.

[robbobobbo]

Originally Posted by Caladium

LOL at Traitorland--sounds like a great name if Disney wants a new theme park!

Is that like Disney going for broke after not getting their way in Haymarket?

[Caladium]

Originally Posted by robbobobbo

Parts of Route 1 have been named "away" from Jeff Davis in various communities, so you could form a group with that goal if you're so inclined. Me, I've got other stuff to do. Like C-D

Sort of like the group that's been spinning their wheels for the last few decades trying to make the Redskins change their name. Seems like a waste of time to me, but hey whatever floats your boat.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by oneasterisk

With that logic, then then all of the USA is Traitorland since we did gain independence from Britain. The "Founding Fathers" were all "traitors" and I'm damn proud of that. Of course we won that war so we got to select the name - lol

Since I am an American, I am more concerned about treason against the USA, than treason against great britain.

I wouldnt expect a George Washington Highway in London, would you?

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by Alltheusernamesaretaken

You're right, no one besides Southerners ever gives the Civil War a second thought. .

there are PLENTY of yankee civil war buffs.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by Caladium

Sort of like the group that's been spinning their wheels for the last few decades trying to make the Redskins change their name. Seems like a waste of time to me, but hey whatever floats your boat.

I personally admire Abe Pollin for changing a singularly inappropriate name. I don't particularly admire Dan Snyder.

[oneasterisk]

Originally Posted by brooklynborndad

Since I am an American, I am more concerned about treason against the USA, than treason against great britain.

I wouldnt expect a George Washington Highway in London, would you?

Considering this country was created through insurrection, I don't mind the willingness of the people to stand up to their government.

Well George Washington's family did originally come from Britain so I'm sure they celebrate him in some fashion: Sulgrave Manor - The home of George Washington's ancestors.

Should we rename Fairfax as well since that too is named after a prominent slave owner?

[Alltheusernamesaretaken]

Originally Posted by brooklynborndad

there are PLENTY of yankee civil war buffs.

True, there are some reenactment societies (my friend's parents are in one) and some people w/ interest, but on the whole it's not a part of our daily lives.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by oneasterisk

Considering this country was created through insurrection, I don't mind the willingness of the people to stand up to their government.

Well George Washington's family did originally come from Britain so I'm sure they celebrate him in some fashion: Sulgrave Manor - The home of George Washington's ancestors.

Should we rename Fairfax as well since that too is named after a prominent slave owner?

The CSA, which hanged folks from east tennessee who stood up to their (confederate) govt, did not share your opinion. All govts make distinctions between legitimate rebellions (those which formed themselves) and illegitimate ones (those against themselves). In the USA, the american revolution is a legitimate, revered rebellion. Secession is an illegitimate, traitorous rebellion. Now the CSA of course did not think so. I am not a confederate citizen however, so I will not concern myself with what the CSA thought. I will continue to hold that Lincoln was the heir of the founding fathers, not Jeff Davis.

As for ancestral manors, I have no problem with Jeff davis being honored at any ancestral manor of his.

As for Lord Fairfax, he was not a traitor. Where did I mention slavery? I dont like that the CSA seceded to protect slavery, but to impugn a man who lived when slavery was legal and almost universally accepted seems anachronistic, to say the least.