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Old 09-10-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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Does anyone know how FFX plans on connecting these areas? I know that the additional lanes at the Gallows/Lee intersection will help alleviate the terrible traffic in that area, but will people really want to walk from Mosaic to Halstead to Mill Creek to the metro? Right now, much of that area is occupied by body shops and warehouses. Plus, I rarely see people crossing Lee at any intersection, especially since the sidewalks on Lee heading west are not in good condition. I guess a tunnel under Lee would be too expensive?

I also don't mind the "contrived" nature of these developments. At least it keeps us from having a bunch of banks and drug store in one area, i.e. Pan Am.

I am unaware of any existing plans for redevelopment of those body shops and warehouses, but I would guess the zoning allows for more development similar to Mosaic and Halstead. I have crossed Lee (walking by bicycle) and while its not optimal, its doable. I assume the light timing will be adjusted after Mosaic is completed to make it easier to cross Lee, but I am not sure.

I suspect many people will not want to talk all the way from Mosaic to the metro (I seem to recall the developer of the residential section saying something about a free van to the metro). I suspect some folks will choose to walk (esp as the gallows and lee project comes to completion). Its also a viable place for cycling (and could be a target for CaBi stations someday).
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Old 09-10-2012, 03:35 PM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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to see how some other "urbanists"are responding to the article JEB linked to, see the following

Breakfast links: Build it for real - Greater Greater Washington

"Walkable urban" places enjoy economic success, but face social equity challenges - Greater Greater Washington

Rebuilding Place in the Urban Space: Towns are cities too and urbanism isn't just about center cities
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Tysons Corner
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I just walked by there yesterday and it looks like some of the stores are ready to open right now, with posters on the windows and everything. I also read that the movie theater is hosting an event in the next week or two.

I think all this development is great, but I can't say that I'm too excited about most of the stores coming in. It seems like they're targeted towards rich women looking for overpriced accessories that appear unique, but in fact will be owned by all of their friends. Imagine the shame and awkwardness when they show up at the gourmet chocolate shop wearing the same $150 hipster scarf. But the Target, movie theater, and all the dining options will be welcome additions. I also like how they extended Merrilee (sp?) to provide another route from Lee Hwy to Route 50 besides Gallows and Prosperity.
Yes, lets label all small business as pretentious just because they don't offer Chinese textiles and sweat shop quality. Can you specify which shops specifically you think are over priced hipster markets or do you just think that anything that isnt in a 150,000 sf megaplex is not worthy of your shopping? I am the son of a local retailer and his products are actually BETTER than the BS you find in the mega-centers. Its false economy to only look at upfront cost. There is longevity as well as aesthetic quality that improve somethings long term worth.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Fairfax
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I suspect many people will not want to talk all the way from Mosaic to the metro (I seem to recall the developer of the residential section saying something about a free van to the metro).
I second that, the Mosaic sales people did mention there will be free shuttle service for residents. However, they did not mention the shuttle schedule (whether it will run from a set period of time, run until Metro's closing, and etc.).
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:05 AM
 
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Yes, lets label all small business as pretentious just because they don't offer Chinese textiles and sweat shop quality. Can you specify which shops specifically you think are over priced hipster markets or do you just think that anything that isnt in a 150,000 sf megaplex is not worthy of your shopping? I am the son of a local retailer and his products are actually BETTER than the BS you find in the mega-centers. Its false economy to only look at upfront cost. There is longevity as well as aesthetic quality that improve somethings long term worth.
Oh right, I labeled all small businesses as pretentious. All of them. In the whole world. You obviously have issues where you're just reaching to take offense where there's none to be taken.

First, I was making a joke, hence the sarcasm. Second, you have no idea what you're talking about if you think stores like South Moon Under, Neiman Marcus, and Lou Lou are small retailers. Third, please don't give economic advice if you're under the impression that upfront higher cost equals longevity or "aesthetic quality" when it comes to clothing.

My argument was that I would like to see a greater variety of retailers. Honestly, I have no problem with those retailers on an individual basis. Man, you make it sound like I'm telling people that anything not from Wal-Mart is the work of the devil.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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I am unaware of any existing plans for redevelopment of those body shops and warehouses, but I would guess the zoning allows for more development similar to Mosaic and Halstead. I have crossed Lee (walking by bicycle) and while its not optimal, its doable. I assume the light timing will be adjusted after Mosaic is completed to make it easier to cross Lee, but I am not sure.

I suspect many people will not want to talk all the way from Mosaic to the metro (I seem to recall the developer of the residential section saying something about a free van to the metro). I suspect some folks will choose to walk (esp as the gallows and lee project comes to completion). Its also a viable place for cycling (and could be a target for CaBi stations someday).
Thanks. I'm sure it will be easier to cross Lee once all of the construction is completed, but right now it feels like you're playing ******* with all of the new and diverted lanes.

Yeah, I also don't think a lot of people will want to walk from Mosaic to the metro, but it would be nice to have better walking routes between the various developments. For example, if you wanted to eat at one of the new restaurants at Halstead and then head over to watch a movie at Mosaic without having to park again. As for cycling, the new bike shop at Mosaic (which I think is already open) should be a nice addition to the development, especially for those living in the new townhouses.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:57 AM
 
Location: McLean, VA
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I saw that the new Angelika Theater is opening the end of this month (September 2012). I also heard that the Target should open in October (?), but that seems awfully soon.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:57 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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Yeah, I also don't think a lot of people will want to walk from Mosaic to the metro

the lee highway end of the Mosaic district is over 1/4 mile from the metro. The town house area is just over 1/2 mile. General planning rules of thumb, IIUC, is that LOTS of people will walk upto 1/4 mile to a transit station, and significant but smaller numbers up to 1/2 mile. Personally I think upto one mile is reasonable to heavy rail transit, but I wouldnt suggest planners assume many people are like me in that respect. I do think that if the Lee Highway crossing is improved (to improve connection between mosaic and halstread) there will be some walkers from mosaic to the metro and back. I think self selection of residents, the quality of the walk, and the convenience of alternatives will all play a role.

here is an interesting piece on walking distance to transit

Human Transit: basics: walking distance to transit
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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the lee highway end of the Mosaic district is over 1/4 mile from the metro. The town house area is just over 1/2 mile. General planning rules of thumb, IIUC, is that LOTS of people will walk upto 1/4 mile to a transit station, and significant but smaller numbers up to 1/2 mile. Personally I think upto one mile is reasonable to heavy rail transit, but I wouldnt suggest planners assume many people are like me in that respect. I do think that if the Lee Highway crossing is improved (to improve connection between mosaic and halstread) there will be some walkers from mosaic to the metro and back. I think self selection of residents, the quality of the walk, and the convenience of alternatives will all play a role.

here is an interesting piece on walking distance to transit

Human Transit: basics: walking distance to transit
That's an interesting rule of thumb. But I always thought that the distance from the corner of Lee and Gallows to the metro station (not the parking lot but the actual station) was half a mile while it's closer to a full mile from where the townhouses are located. If that's the case, I guess even fewer people would walk from Mosaic to the metro. At this point, Lee Highway seems like such a big psychological, if not physical, barrier for potential walkers.

I did notice that the new sidewalks on Gallows south of Lee are fairly wide, more like sidewalks downtown. It would be nice if that continued all the way up Gallows.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:05 AM
 
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That's an interesting rule of thumb. But I always thought that the distance from the corner of Lee and Gallows to the metro station (not the parking lot but the actual station) was half a mile while it's closer to a full mile from where the townhouses are located. If that's the case, I guess even fewer people would walk from Mosaic to the metro. At this point, Lee Highway seems like such a big psychological, if not physical, barrier for potential walkers.

I did notice that the new sidewalks on Gallows south of Lee are fairly wide, more like sidewalks downtown. It would be nice if that continued all the way up Gallows.

I just glanced at google maps, so I could be wrong about the distance.

I agree that Lee Highway is the big barrier - and while I hope crossing can be improved, I suspect it will remain a barrier.

I would note that in addition to the promised shuttle, there is a Fairfax Connector bus that runs down Gallows - though the stop near Mosaic is not as convenient to the heart of Mosaic as the shuttle will be, and the frequency is low to make it attractive for such a short distance. and taking it northbound would mean crossing Gallows.

The sidewalk width will I think not so much accommodate huge crowds of walkers (though it would please me if they did) as serve to make it possible for pedestrians and cyclists to coexist, in this area where cycling in the roadway is kind of tough.

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