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Old 06-06-2011, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by tigger37708 View Post
I just had a revelation
People that like HOA's are wanting some sort of guarantee of property value.
They want some outside entity to ensure they don't loose money on their home.
That's what it boils down to.
Maybe a few people think that way, but I think for the vast majority it's simply a lifestyle choice. If HOAs aren't your thing, it may be hard for you to believe--but there are lots of people who really like living in HOAs.
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Old 06-06-2011, 04:56 PM
 
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I don't have an HOA.

Neighbors had a hideous junker car across the way that they just wouldn't get rid of. I simply took down the license plate # and called the police department, who sent an officer out who wrote up a citation for no valid inspection sticker...within a week the car was in the garage and out of view and I haven't seen it for months. Problem solved.

I suppose they could paint their house electric violet tomorrow and there'd be nothing I can do but absence of an HOA does not mean one is helpless.
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Old 06-06-2011, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Richmond va
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My Hoa is great. I often stop in the office just to say hello. I had a terrible Hoa at my last condo, they wouldnt even allow us to put door mats in front of our doors.. One time I was parked in my parking spot and the Head of the hoa stuck a sticker on my window that I had a terrible time getting off that said I was illegally parked. I went to the office and asked why in the world I had that on my car and he said he was looking at the wrong spot. On my move out day (thank god I was moving out of there!) I had my family come up to help me (it was a saturday) we were going to get up early and start before it got hot (it was August)but they had a rule that I wasnt aware of that I had to wait until Noon to move anything! Also every week he would walk around with his pen and paper and write down violations (I also had a vilation for having christmas clings on my slideing glass door) and then put the violations on our door knobs. One of the tackest things ever was when our overhang in front of the front entrance broke during snowmageddon and it stayed there with no awning for months, it looked horrible. I am very thankful for my new Hoa they were welcoming, hold cook outs, look out for you, and a nice touch is their monthly newsletter to keep us all informed on things that go on in the neighborhood. One time we had a car stolen from the property and they put letters on our doors to make us aware. As others say there are good and bad Hoa's.
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Old 06-06-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA and Washington, DC
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My recent experiences with HOAs.

- The roads in the development (not even 5 years old) I live in are horrid and the HOA does not seem to care or want to do anything about it.
- Several lawns go unchecked in height.
- A couple of messed up cars are in driveways. Personally I think you should do with your driveway what you wish but you'd think the HOA would say something to correct it.
- Not even 5 min away there are non-HOA neighborhoods which look better than mine.

Count me as one who wants as little to do with an HOA as possible. I dont buy the lie that neighborhoods without one are doomed to be messes.
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Old 06-06-2011, 07:21 PM
 
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I grew up as a NoVA brat. We had one of the early HOA Hell On Wheels.

One of my favorite memories is the HOA debating for months on exactly what shade of white we would be permitted to paint our home. My Dad said "%$^! buff white and be done with it." No Go.

He showed up for meeting after meeting for the (endless) debate. He finally swore he would call in Harley Warrick.

Harley Warrick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The HOA caved.

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Old 06-06-2011, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, NC, formerly DC and Phila
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I have a vegetable garden in my front yard - glad I don't live in a development with an HOA. I like to pick out my own paint colors, floor mats, build a playset in my yard and do other minor things without big brother's approval.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:08 AM
 
Location: northern Virginia
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I think this is oversimplifying a bit.


There's nothing inherently wrong with HOAs, just as there's nothing inherently wrong with their absence. There is something inherently wrong with buying into a neighborhood that doesn't suit you. Everybody in an HOA-regulated neighborhood is required by law to read (or at least be given ample opportunity to read) and sign off on the HOA packet. I see it as just another characteristic to consider in searching for a home. Some people want garages, some people want small yards, some people want fireplaces, some people want HOAs. You know?
This is the bottom line....don't buy into a neighborhood that doesn't suit you. I live in an HOA community and have been perplexed for the last 12 years here why oh why our next-door neighbors ever bought into an HOA community (and stay). The mess that they call a home affects the neighborhood, and they don't seem to feel the HOA rules apply to them. As this post above says, we all were given the HOA rules when we bought our homes. These people are not suited to living in an HOA community at all!
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I think this is oversimplifying a bit.

People who choose to live in neighborhoods with HOAs don't necessarily do so out of fear of falling property values. At least, we don't.

We live in a neighborhood with an HOA because we like knowing the standards to which we're held regarding our property's appearance, and we like knowing that our neighbors are held to the same standards. We read the HOA documents thoroughly prior to purchasing our home, and had we found anything in there that didn't work for us, then we would have found another home to buy. For us, it's simply about enjoying our surroundings while we're at home. And since we live in sight of our neighbors and they live in sight of us -- i.e., we are part of each others' surroundings -- we like having the rules in place.

We certainly don't depend on -- or even expect -- the HOA to protect our property value. As the discussion in this thread has shown, there are plenty of potential buyers who aren't interested in neighborhoods with HOAs, so IMO it would be silly to buy into an HOA-regulated neighborhood for the primary reason of protected/increased property value.

There's nothing inherently wrong with HOAs, just as there's nothing inherently wrong with their absence. There is something inherently wrong with buying into a neighborhood that doesn't suit you. Everybody in an HOA-regulated neighborhood is required by law to read (or at least be given ample opportunity to read) and sign off on the HOA packet. I see it as just another characteristic to consider in searching for a home. Some people want garages, some people want small yards, some people want fireplaces, some people want HOAs. You know?
Yes Definitely this is an over simlplification.
No argument there.
However
All the reasons you stated in you reply for liking your HOA
can be Translated to "Help Preserve Value"

You say "Standards for property appearance"
I hear "Help Preserve Value"
You say "enjoyable surroundings"
I hear "Help Preserve Value"

In fact top three reasons I hear for Buying in a HOA from HOA tolerant people is
"Help Preserve Value"
"Help Preserve Value"
and
"Help Preserve Value"

I agree with you that it would be silly to buy into an HOA-regulated neighborhood for the primary reason of protected/increased property value.

That's the point of my post.
But I think that is exactly why many people do buy in
"Covenant Enhanced" Neighborhoods.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:45 AM
 
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Yes Definitely this is an over simlplification.
No argument there.
However
All the reasons you stated in you reply for liking your HOA
can be Translated to "Help Preserve Value"

You say "Standards for property appearance"
I hear "Help Preserve Value"
You say "enjoyable surroundings"
I hear "Help Preserve Value"

In fact top three reasons I hear for Buying in a HOA from HOA tolerant people is
"Help Preserve Value"
"Help Preserve Value"
and
"Help Preserve Value"

I agree with you that it would be silly to buy into an HOA-regulated neighborhood for the primary reason of protected/increased property value.

That's the point of my post.
But I think that is exactly why many people do buy in
"Covenant Enhanced" Neighborhoods.
I do see your point. And I'm sure there *are* some people who bought/buy into HOAs because of the property value enhancement they perceive. I would bet that those are, in some cases, the same people who buy a house more for the financial investment than for the home -- another prospect that's iffy at best, especially these days. And now I'm oversimplifying!

And I suppose if we define "value" as something more than monetary, then I have to concede altogether. We're in an HOA neighborhood because we love our home and work really hard on it inside and out, and it makes us seethe when we have to be surrounded by people who let their homes fall apart around them. We've lived in that situation before and we were unhappy about it, so this time, we went HOA and we're loving it. We enjoy the added value in terms of happiness that comes from having an organization that regulates the appearance of the homes around us.

I guess what some people would see as sterile and overreaching, we see as relaxation-inducing. That's just us, though. I know plenty of people who would go nuts with an HOA. And, of course, we all know that there are some unfortunate HOAs out there that are run by crazypants dictatorial wannabes. I feel for those people.

I feel for you, too, OP. I hope you're able to find a way to be happy in your neighborhood, and I hope that way's easy for you when you find it.

ETA: Also, tigger, nice haiku-like formatting up there. I like it! Very stylish.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:49 AM
 
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I bought my house in an HOA neighborhood because there was a pool. I have lived here since November and have had no problems, except for the pool opening late.
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