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Old 08-20-2007, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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As much as it pains me to support a Dingler remark/post, I know that the neighborhood that I grew up in shifted from mainly whites to mainly SE Asians in the past 20 years. While I wouldn't have classified it as a 'flight' initially, I do know that the last few remaining white families that we spoke with said they were getting out because Annandale didn't seem like home anymore, some even said because it didn't seem like the USA anymore. Even my mom finally left because of not feeling like she belonged anymore.

Personally I like the diveristy of NoVA, but I do wish it were a little more integrated instead of having pockets of certain nationalities clustered together.

 
Old 08-20-2007, 02:24 PM
 
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Not sure what the point of your question is.
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My point is NVA is now becoming mostly immigrant with fewer and fewer American born. This has a big impact on the schools and culture, does anyone else notice?
Very likely no one else notices, and that would be because the story you tell is completely fictional. Between 2000 and 2005, the number of white non-Hispanics in NoVa increased, the percentage held about the same, and there were no noticeable impacts on the schools or the culture at all.
 
Old 08-20-2007, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Live in VA, Work in MD, Play in DC
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As much as it pains me to support a Dingler remark/post, I know that the neighborhood that I grew up in shifted from mainly whites to mainly SE Asians in the past 20 years. While I wouldn't have classified it as a 'flight' initially, I do know that the last few remaining white families that we spoke with said they were getting out because Annandale didn't seem like home anymore, some even said because it didn't seem like the USA anymore. Even my mom finally left because of not feeling like she belonged anymore.

Personally I like the diveristy of NoVA, but I do wish it were a little more integrated instead of having pockets of certain nationalities clustered together.
True, there are certain pockets of ethnic groups in NoVA, but there are more places in the region where it is integrated than where it is segregated.

Annandale has been home to many Korean immigrants for a while now. The interesting thing is, that even though there are still many Korean businesses and stores in Annandale, a good portion of Korean residents are leaving Annandale for other areas in NoVA.

It certainly seems that the "pockets" of ethnic groups are mostly inside the Beltway, while outside the Beltway, it's pretty much integrated all across the board.
 
Old 08-20-2007, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Annandale has been home to many Korean immigrants for a while now. The interesting thing is, that even though there are still many Korean businesses and stores in Annandale, a good portion of Korean residents are leaving Annandale for other areas in NoVA.
Yes, that has been noticable too in my old Annandale neighborhood, where you used to have Koreans you now have people mainly from Indochina (Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, etc).
 
Old 08-21-2007, 12:45 AM
 
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The only whites that have probably moved out of NoVA are the ones that are uber-prejudice ones (or the ones that NoVA would do better without). Otherwise, all I've seen in Northern Virginia is a predominate white population with an increasing educated and work-ethical minority population. And considering how many of these minorities, whether it's the Asian, Indian, or Middle Eastern diplomat and/or immigrant who fled their home nation for a better life, or the college educated Black or Hispanic who wants to escape from the crime and poverty of their respective groups, many of the sensible whites see these people (regardless of their race) as individuals who just want to work hard, make something better for themselves and their families, and want to earn a piece of the American dream the legitimate way, hence making most whites more acceptable and affable to these individuals as part of their community and nation.

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Old 08-21-2007, 11:23 AM
 
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I think The_Fairfaxian sums it up best. Hard working immigrants, whether they were the Italians and Germans of yesteryear or the Asians and whomever of today, seek the "dream" which is almost invariably a nice residence in a nice area. If they are achieving that, its a good thing.

Its not so much that whites are fleeing. Rather, these newcomers are now "eligible receivers" as I like to say. They have made it and are now simply buying homes that become available. Do some cluster? Sure, that is human nature. What was Little Italy but similiar people clustering for support?

And Little Italy now? A couple of blocks at best. Why? Because they made it.
 
Old 08-21-2007, 01:07 PM
 
Location: VA
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I hoped that my orginal posting would not turn into a politically correct thread about the glories of ethnic diversity and how wonderful it is that Northern VA is now a United Nations of cultures and races. I did my best to have my orginal post have no bias about the pros and cons of immigration into NVA. I am offically undecided.

What I was asking was if anyone noticed that there are far fewer White people in Northern VA. Since I moved to the area 20 years ago I have noticed that the population of people who can link their accestory to Europe has dropped significantly. Again, I am not saying this is good or bad but it has had a significant effect on the culture and schools in the area and has created significant issues as reported by the many articles on immigration in the Washington Post. According to 2005 Census Estimates for Fairfax County VA, the actual number of people who classify themselves as White and Black has gone down since 1990 and the number of people who are Hispanic and Asian has gone up. Both in numbers and as a percentage of the total.
 
Old 08-21-2007, 02:08 PM
 
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Well the answer to your question is not a yes or no.

Are there less white people? I am unsure. There are a lot more Asians and others compared to the Nova of my youth. However, there is also a lot more housing available. The entire region used to have lots of woods, farms and vacant lots. Like everywhere, these have largely been developed. So whites may well be less of a percentage of the whole population but still maintaining steady numbers. So I reckon, no there are not fewer, but yes there are more others.

Also, your use of the term "white flight" has negative implications. It implies that whites have fled while immigrants have poured in. One can find cases of this as one can find anything. But more likely the case is simply that its not only whites seeking to live in Nova.

Up to the 70s most lawyers and stock brokers were males. Now you find plenty of females there as well. Does it mean the men fled? No, it simply means women started working there as well and the industries inevitably and organically became more varied.
 
Old 08-21-2007, 02:28 PM
 
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What I was asking was if anyone noticed that there are far fewer White people in Northern VA. Since I moved to the area 20 years ago I have noticed that the population of people who can link their accestory to Europe has dropped significantly.
Where did you get that information?

This is from http://www.novaregion.org/Demographics/databook/1_9.pdf

Northern Virginia

Year Whites %
1950 316,088 91.1
1960 570,956 92.9
1970 860,221 93.5
1980 957,467 86.7
1990 1,184,501 80.8
2000 1,276,498 70.3

The Whites are losing percentages, but still make up 70% of the population in the 2000 census. But, there hasn't been a loss of white population, ever, in Northern Virginia.

Year Blacks %
1950 30,644 8.9
1960 41,146 6.8
1970 52,304 5.7
1980 91,461 8.3
1990 141,493 9.6
2000 201,206 11.1

The black population in Northern Virginia has never decreased as well since the 1950 census.

Year Others %
1950 355 0.2
1960 2,229 0.4
1970 8,342 1.0
1980 56,786 5.2
1990 140,415 9.6
2000 337,493 18.6

So how did Whites and Blacks leave Northern VA again? I think the entire area just got bigger and more diverse.

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Old 08-21-2007, 02:59 PM
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Location: Fairfax County, VA
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It is so nice to see so many positive attitudes in this thread and it definitely reinforces my decision to move back to the DC metro area.

I think Moth and others hit the nail on the head. It's not whites declining or fleeing or being replaced, it's other groups adding to the mix.
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