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Old 10-02-2012, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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LOL sorry my cycling friends, no I was not laughing because the person was hurt, indeed they were not, but because it was SO random and unexpected. I am not from NYC, was visiting as probably many people around Grand Central on a weekend and had NO idea that I would need to check for a bike before getting out at one of the main doors. NO IDEA. So to have that door slammed into, was actually really funny in retrospect. I might add said cyclist spoke no words, just glared at me, as if I did something wrong, which apparently was that I did not read the rules of dealing with cyclists in NYC before my weekend jaunt. So sorry, now I know thanks to you all . He was also moving at quite a clip, perhaps it would have been in his interest to be a little more cautious around the main doors on Lex at Grand Central? I dunno, sounds like many of you he was perfectly in his right and it was all my fault. Oh well, what can you do.

With regard to western Loudoun county. I am speaking of very narrow, windy, rural roads where passing one or two cyclists are not an issue AT ALL, but 20-30 of them in a line, well that is honestly a safety hazard in my book because I have two choices. One, I stay behind them the whole way and plan to triple my drive time to where I need to be, or try to pass ALL of them at once because you cannot cut in. Trust me, on these windy, hilly roads, that is not a fun prospect. I look to change my routes on Sunday mornings out here in Western Loudoun because it does worry me and I do feel it's unsafe. Do I think they don't have a right to ride there? Heck no, it's a free country, just those large groups are really dangerous to drivers, that's all.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:44 PM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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LOL sorry my cycling friends, no I was not laughing because the person was hurt, indeed they were not, but because it was SO random and unexpected. I am not from NYC, was visiting as probably many people around Grand Central on a weekend and had NO idea that I would need to check for a bike before getting out at one of the main doors. NO IDEA. So to have that door slammed into, was actually really funny in retrospect. I might add said cyclist spoke no words, just glared at me, as if I did something wrong, which apparently was that I did not read the rules of dealing with cyclists in NYC before my weekend jaunt. So sorry, now I know thanks to you all . He was also moving at quite a clip, perhaps it would have been in his interest to be a little more cautious around the main doors on Lex at Grand Central? I dunno, sounds like many of you he was perfectly in his right and it was all my fault. Oh well, what can you do.
I always look carefully for places where I might be doored, and try to avoid them as many cyclists do (which is one reason many cyclists take the lane in certain places). I believe that my obligation to myself and my family is to look out for my own safety. That does not relieve others of their responsibility though - and yes, anyone exiting a vehicle on the driver side has an obligation to look out for other road users, including cyclists. Thats true everywhere, not just in NYC.

We all need to be better educated about our road use responsibilities - I certainly want cyclists to learn what their rights and responsibilities are so they can bike more safely, and I also want others to learn - including about the significant issue of dooring.

As for the group rides in western Loudoun - well Ive never done a group ride. It sounds like they were riding single file or two abreast, so were within the law. I assume for length issues one approach would be to leave a gap every 4 or 5 bikes or so, though I can imagine thats not always to easy to do. Im not sure what that leaves as the best approach for group rides.

It certainly sounds to me like the infrastructure is not ideal for riding out there.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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From 1987, but it remains valid!

A Cool and Logical Analysis of the Bicycle Menace
And an Examination of the Actions Necessary to License, Regulate,
or Abolish Entirely This Dreadful Peril on our Roads
by P.J. O'Rourke

Our nation is afflicted with a plague of bicycles. Everywhere the public right-of-way is glutted with whirring, unbalanced contraptions of rubber, wire, and cheap steel pipe. Riders of these flimsy appliances pay no heed to stop signs or red lights. They dart from between parked cars, dash along double yellow lines, and whiz through crosswalks right over the toes of law-abiding citizens like me.

In the cities, every lamppost, tree, and street sign is disfigured by a bicycle slathered in chains and locks. And elevators must be shared with the cycling faddist so attached to his "moron's bath-chair" that he has to take it with him everywhere he goes.

In the country, one cannot drive around a curve or over the crest of a hill without encountering a gaggle of huffing bicyclers spread across the road in suicidal phalanx.

Even the wilderness is not safe from infestation, as there is now such a thing as an off-road bicycle and a horrible sport called "bicycle-cross."

The ungainly geometry and primitive mechanicals of the bicycle are an offense to the eye. The grimy and perspiring riders of the bicycle are an offense to the nose. And the very existence of the bicycle is an offense to reason and wisdom.

PRINCIPAL ARGUMENTS WHICH MAY BE MARSHALED AGAINST BICYCLES

1. Bicycles are childish

Bicycles have their proper place, and that place is under small boys delivering evening papers. Insofar as children are too short to see over the dashboards of cars and too small to keep motorcycles upright at intersections, bicycles are suitable vehicles for them. But what are we to make of an adult in a suit and tie pedaling his way to work? Are we to assume he still delivers newspapers for a living? If not, do we want a doctor, lawyer, or business executive who plays with toys? St. Paul, in his First Epistle to the Corinthians, 13:11, said, "When I became a man, I put away childish things." He did not say, "When I became a man, I put away childish things and got more elaborate and expensive childish things from France and Japan."

Considering the image projected, bicycling commuters might as well propel themselves to the office with one knee in a red Radio Flyer wagon.

2. Bicycles are undignified

A certain childishness is, no doubt, excusable. But going about in public with one's head between one's knees and one's rump protruding in the air is nobody's idea of acceptable behavior.

It is impossible for an adult to sit on a bicycle without looking the fool. There is a type of woman, in particular, who should never assume the bicycling posture. This is the woman of ample proportions. Standing on her own feet she is a figure to admire-classical in her beauty and a symbol, throughout history, of sensuality, maternal virtue, and plenty. Mounted on a bicycle, she is a laughingstock.

In a world where loss of human dignity is such a grave and all-pervading issue, what can we say about people who voluntarily relinquish all of theirs and go around looking at best like Quixote on Rosinante and more often like something in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade? Can such people be trusted? Is a person with so little self-respect likely to have any respect for you?

3. Bicycles are unsafe

Bicycles are top-heavy, have poor brakes, and provide no protection to their riders. Bicycles are also made up of many hard and sharp components which, in collision, can do grave damage to people and the paint finish on automobiles. Bicycles are dangerous things.

Of course, there's nothing wrong, per se, with dangerous things. Speedboats, racecars, fine shotguns, whiskey, and love are all very dangerous. Bicycles, however, are dangerous without being any fun. You can't shoot pheasants with a bicycle or water-ski behind it or go 150 miles an hour or even mix it with soda and ice. And the idea of getting romantic on top of a bicycle is alarming. All you can do with one of these ten-speed sink traps is grow tired and sore and fall off it.
Being dangerous without being fun puts bicycles in a category with open-heart surgery, the war in Vietnam, the South Bronx, and divorce. Sensible people do all that they can to avoid such things as these.

4. Bicycles are un-American

We are a nation that worships speed and power. And for good reason. Without power we would still be part of England and everybody would be out of work. And if it weren't for speed, it would take us all months to fly to L.A., get involved in the movie business, and become rich and famous.

Bicycles are too slow and impuissant for a country like ours. They belong in Czechoslovakia...

5. I don't like the kind of people who ride bicycles

At least I think I don't. I don't actually know anyone who rides a bicycle. But the people I see on bicycles look like organic-gardening zealots who advocate federal regulation of bedtime and want American foreign policy to be dictated by UNICEF. These people should be confined.

I apologize if I have the wrong impression. It may be that bicycle riders are all members of the New York Stock Exchange, Methodist bishops, retired Marine Corps drill instructors, and other solid citizens. However, the fact that they cycle around in broad daylight making themselves look like idiots indicates that they're crazy anyway and should be confined just the same.

6. Bicycles are unfair

Bicycles use the same roads as cars and trucks yet they pay no gasoline tax, carry no license plates, are not required to have insurance, and are not subject to DOT, CAFE, or NHTSA regulations. Furthermore, bicyclists do not have to take driver's examinations, have eye tests when they're over sixty-five, carry registration papers with them, or submit to breathalyzer tests under the threat of law. And they never get caught in radar traps.

The fact (see No. 5, above) that bicycles are ridden by the very people who most favor government interference in life makes the bicycle's special status not only unfair but an outright incitement to riot.

Equality before the law is the cornerstone of democracy. Bicycles should be made to carry twenty-gallon tanks of gasoline. They should be equipped with twelve-volt batteries and a full complement of taillights, headlamps, and turn signals. They should have seat belts, air bags, and safety-glass windows too. And every bicycle rider should be inspected once a year for hazardous defects and be made to wear a number plate hanging around his neck and another on the seat of his pants.

7. Bicycles are good exercise

And so is swinging through trees on your tail. Mankind has invested more than four million years of evolution in the attempt to avoid physical exertion. Now a group of backward-thinking atavists mounted on foot-powered pairs of Hula-Hoops would have us pumping our legs, gritting our teeth, and searing our lungs as though we were being chased across the Pleistocene savanna by saber-toothed tigers. Think of the hopes, the dreams, the effort, the brilliance, the pure force of will that, over the eons, has gone into the creation of the Cadillac Coupe de Ville. Bicycle riders would have us throw all this on the ash heap of history.

What must be done about about the bicycle threat?

Fortunately, nothing. Frustrated truck drivers and irate cabbies make a point of running bicycles off the road. Terrified old ladies jam umbrella ferrules into wheel spokes as bicycles rush by them on sidewalks. And all of us have occasion to back over bicycles that are haplessly parked.

Bicycles are quiet and slight, difficult for normal motorized humans to see and hear. People pull out in front of bicycles, open car doors in their path, and drive through intersections filled with the things. The insubstantial bicycle and its unshielded rider are defenseless against these actions. It's a simple matter of natural selection. The bicycle will be extinct within the decade. And what a relief that will be.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:16 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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perhaps this will help

Doorings in Chicago and NYC are still a sorry state but one of them is doing something about it | Grid Chicago
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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I'm somewhat in between - I always wear my helmet (if I ended up a fatality while not wearing a helmet my wife would kill me) but I am very sympathetic to the arguments that oever focus on helmets detracts from the number of cyclists, and in so doing actually reduces bike safety (since critical mass adds to cyclist safety) (not to mention the health benefits of cycling in terms of CVD, etc)

There has to be someway to signal that while I wear a helmet, I consider this a net life extending activity.
I wear a helmet if on a highway or on the trail and cycling at speed. If I'm pedaling around Old Town it seems kind of unnecessary and I often just go with an old-school cycling cap.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:56 PM
 
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I wear a helmet if on a highway or on the trail and cycling at speed. If I'm pedaling around Old Town it seems kind of unnecessary and I often just go with an old-school cycling cap.

I'm a bit far to just tool around Old Town or any similarly urban area - and to just pedal around Annandale, I really do prefer to have my helmet.

This would become an issue for me (as for many others) if and when I get a CaBi membership. I see the arguments for helmets being less important when going slowly in places with minimal traffic conflict, and its less convenient to have one around whenver you feel like taking a bike out, but given how much my safety would be compromised if my wife killed me, I will attempt to have a helmet around even then.
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