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Old 10-15-2012, 03:42 PM
 
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How is it different from not being able to say, "This neighborhood has x # of petty thefts each week", or "This neighborhood feeds to a school with below average test scores"? Surely, "This neighborhood has x # of sex offenders is the same type of information? Realtors aren't allowed to steer people towards or away any home.

The realtor can absolutely say, "Sex offender information, crime reports, and school information can be found in these locations. Feel free to research and determine your comfort level."

Or am I completely wrong in that interpretation of what the realtors I interviewed told us?
On the basis of a protected class. Sex offenders are not a protected class. Honestly, I don't think a steering case can really be made on any of your examples. That's just typical realtor gibberish, or their agency trying to use utmost caution to avoid frivolous lawsuits.

I'd like to see a case brought by the DOJ on factual statements like that. The cases I have seen are usually very egregious.

What they should tell you isn't it is against the law to give out sex offender disclosure (which it certainly is NOT), but rather my agency has a policy not to comment on these matters and refer you to such and such website to do a sex offender search if you chose to do so.

Similarly, it is my agencies policy and the recommendation of my professional organization not to provide detailed information on the quality of schooling due to concerns of violated the FHA and you should go to the school's website or independent sources to learn about the schools. To say that talking about schools is illegal is utter B.S. It can be under very limited and egregious circumstances, not all talk. Realtors don't want to get caught in these judgment calls, so they just shut up about schools. That's good business sense, but not the law.
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Old 10-15-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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Perhaps this discussion would be better for the Real Estate forum. The mods may want to move it over there since there doesn't seem to be much about it that's specific to NoVA.
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Old 10-15-2012, 04:18 PM
 
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My goodness. I don't agree with being an obstructionist or leaving anonymous notes, but some of the attitudes in this thread seem off-base. This isn't a shoplifter. The sex offender registry exists precisely because this is a Big Deal for people with kids. In this case, you have a guy who apparently enjoys watching children get exploited and abused. I certainly would not want to live nearby.

Despite that, I would not aggressively intervene with any pending sale. If a potential buyer asked me about it, though, I would absolutely say "you may want to check the sex offender registry." Every family I know would have already checked this already, anyway.
My issue is that the focus shouldn't be warning prospective new comers and preventing higher quality folks from moving in. It should be about making the community stronger. I'd 100% rather have a new family moving in with children, then that tear down turn into a low quality rental with shadier residents moving in.

If there is a sex offender and neighbors are vigilant about making sure he isn't around kids and warning their kids to stay away from him, is probably safer than a lot of other places. If the sex offender knows everyone around him knows that he's a sex offender and they refuse to have any interaction with him, that person isn't likely to commit crimes in that neighborhood or stay long term in isolation.
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Old 10-15-2012, 05:08 PM
 
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If the sex offender knows everyone around him knows that he's a sex offender and they refuse to have any interaction with him, that person isn't likely to commit crimes in that neighborhood or stay long term in isolation.
I wish that were true, but isn't always the case. Social ostracization does not weaken recidivism of sex offenders. And frequently they are staying in homes of their parents or close relatives and do not have elsewhere to go.
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:17 PM
 
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About realtors directing people in their purchase...you can look up redlining, steering and blockbusting, all prohibited by the Fair Housing Act with civil penalties and Federal punitive damages, loss of license and income for infractions. On the other hand, not to appear to sell to be money hungry, a professional realtor showing a home during the day would suggest a buyer drive by on weekends or evenings for example, just as he/she would suggest the dreamy eyed buyer who works in the city but loves this suburban street make that communte during rush hour to be sure before purchase.

Real estate contracts have disclosure addendums. On this is stuff about problems the owner knows about, lead based paint, tons of things nowadays...and some wording about checking the state sex offender list. No one thing stands out from another and all are standard on the form so that no one is saying hey, this is the place with the sex offender.

That brings me to the Va Code prohibiting intimidating and harrassing behavior toward a sex offender. If you do those things it's a Class 1 misdemeanor. But they say the mere republishing and reasonable distribution of the info on the sex offender registry is not deemed intimidation or harassment. So you can do that. To be sure, check your parameters here: Virginia State Police
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:26 PM
 
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About sex offenders in the community in Va. Yes, it's amazing the places they live IMO. I have discovered it is for a few reasons, some being they cannot find anyplace else and family feels they have to take them in. Another is some church members or people with a particular ministry in this area will house them. And whle one can inform per State Police parameters, one can't harass and intimidate. I have seen homes sit on the market a long time, everyone knowing it's because there were sex offenders several houses on each side and a third with an employment address in a residential neighborhood but a place they likely worked FROM but also I've seen them hang out with the family, shoot hoops, etc. at such a house.

I have seen where there was a national article picked up by some papers about the problems selling a home in such situations. And suddenly a couple of them were no longer in that area. It is unfortunate for some when you check back their dates on the registry. You might find someone was charged when he (and even women) were, say, 18 or 21. And now they are in their 50s with no other charges showing. One might imagine a youthful romance with a girl a month underage and mom and dad didn't like that.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:11 AM
 
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My goodness. I don't agree with being an obstructionist or leaving anonymous notes, but some of the attitudes in this thread seem off-base. This isn't a shoplifter. The sex offender registry exists precisely because this is a Big Deal for people with kids. In this case, you have a guy who apparently enjoys watching children get exploited and abused. I certainly would not want to live nearby.

Despite that, I would not aggressively intervene with any pending sale. If a potential buyer asked me about it, though, I would absolutely say "you may want to check the sex offender registry." Every family I know would have already checked this already, anyway.
Yeah but the person who is likely to molest Skatergirl's kids is either a family member, school teacher, or someone she already knows. Stats show it is not the random guy looking at kiddy porn on his computer.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:45 AM
 
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Yeah but the person who is likely to molest Skatergirl's kids is either a family member, school teacher, or someone she already knows. Stats show it is not the random guy looking at kiddy porn on his computer.
That's the same with kidnappings. Nearly all those "have you seen me?" kids you used to see on milk cartons and mailers were custody cases or runaways. For some reason though when it's friends and family it's just not as sensationally newsworthy. Same deal as when a spouse is mysteriously murdered, my wife's first reaction is "the husband did it". People tend to worry about things they shouldn't so much (stranger violence) and not worry enough about others (car accidents and influenza).
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:40 AM
 
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Yeah but the person who is likely to molest Skatergirl's kids is either a family member, school teacher, or someone she already knows. Stats show it is not the random guy looking at kiddy porn on his computer.
That's a creepy thing you did when you personalized the stat to me. Down right creepy and sick and in no way necessary
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:05 AM
 
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That's a creepy thing you did when you personalized the stat to me. Down right creepy and sick and in no way necessary
Then learn from my post. I think it is creepy to be so paranoid toward others, particularly focusing in on one small group of people. I'd hate to be your neighbor, peeking thru the curtains judging and scared.

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