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Old 03-25-2013, 08:47 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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wow, I guess I didnt realize the extent to which the liberals-envy-resentment thing was a widespread meme on the right lately.

Very amusing take on it here (with relevance to the greater DC real estate market, if not NoVa)

Matt Yglesias' $1.2 Million House Stokes Class Envy in Conservatives - Elspeth Reeve - The Atlantic Wire

and here

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...cking-success/

and here
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ases-home.html

"Let me try to explain this to you, conservative bloggers. There are people who believe in the abolition of private property and having all goods distributed by the state.

Yglesias is definitely not one of those people. His argument about ownership does not imply that nobody should own anything. It merely implies that people don’t have a right to the entirety of their market income so absolute it makes redistribution immoral. The market itself is a construct of the state, and therefore the state can legitimately redistribute some income from the rich to the poor, though the appropriate amount of redistribution depends on …

You’re not following me here, are you? You’re imagining Sarah Palin naked again."
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:21 AM
 
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wow, I guess I didnt realize the extent to which the liberals-envy-resentment thing was a widespread meme on the right lately.

Very amusing take on it here (with relevance to the greater DC real estate market, if not NoVa)

Matt Yglesias' $1.2 Million House Stokes Class Envy in Conservatives - Elspeth Reeve - The Atlantic Wire

and here

Attacking Success - NYTimes.com

and here
Liberal Hypocrite Purchases Home -- Daily Intelligencer

"Let me try to explain this to you, conservative bloggers. There are people who believe in the abolition of private property and having all goods distributed by the state.

Yglesias is definitely not one of those people. His argument about ownership does not imply that nobody should own anything. It merely implies that people don’t have a right to the entirety of their market income so absolute it makes redistribution immoral. The market itself is a construct of the state, and therefore the state can legitimately redistribute some income from the rich to the poor, though the appropriate amount of redistribution depends on …

You’re not following me here, are you? You’re imagining Sarah Palin naked again."
Yes, perhaps it's silly, but when anti-suburban liberals take people who live in places like NoVa to task for not modeling enough of their behavior on a Pope who takes the bus and lives by himself in an apartment, it does not exactly come as a surprise that political conservatives seize opportunities to portray liberals as hypocrites. The question would not be whether Yglesias is completely against the market economy, but whether, if the economic policies he advocates were implemented, fewer people would be in a position to afford the type of high-end property he just acquired, presumably as a single-family home (and not to turn into a group house).

The answer might be that, if the policies Yglesias advocates were implemented, housing prices would also come down, so that it's a bit of a wash, but I just see this as one more exchange in the liberal/conservative tit-for-tat that passes for political discourse these days.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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Yes, perhaps it's silly, but when anti-suburban liberals take people who live in places like NoVa to task for not modeling enough of their behavior on a Pope who takes the bus and lives by himself in an apartment,
1. One more time

I didn't take anyone to task.

I made a brief post on something I thought relevant to the thread.

Saying "X will improve things" /= "People who don't do X are bad"

2. Im not antisuburban. I live in the suburbs. I want them to be better.

3. I also doubt very much that daily caller read my post.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:32 AM
 
Location: In the woods
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I thought this thread is titled, "Things That Upset You about NoVA?" By default, the title does not ask us about great opportunities here (and yes, we have that list too). Instead, they are things that "upset" us. Now, if the OP wanted us to list the pros and cons and the extent of how upset we are, then maybe we need to revise the ground rules.

However, personally I wish this thread would just go ahead and die (like the grass on my front lawn in the snow right now). I think it's run it's course.

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Old 03-25-2013, 11:54 AM
 
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While this is a "rant" thread, please remember:

1)To respect the opinions of your fellow members when crafting an opinion or response, and;

2)To keep the thread focused on Northern Virginia.

Adherence to this advice will maximize the life of this thread and minimize post deletions and infractions.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:34 PM
 
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I think NOVA has a lot of pros and cons just like every other place. I don't prefer it here, but I don't absolutely hate it. I think if I didn't have a crummy commute every day....it would make a difference. So, my gripe is too many people doing everything else in their cars except focusing on driving. It drives me bonkers! Stoplights and slow traffic is taken as an opportunity to text or do whatever it is people are doing on their phones in their cars. Traffic will always be congested because of lack of planning....but people could help a little with actually driving instead of looking at their phones.

Speaking of not paying attention, when I lived in NOVA I was one exit to 66 from 495. I was stopped, as were the people to my left in front of which I was trying merge.. Finally, I got over and then was stopped again. I found an opening and slowly crawled to the front of the long line of cars I was just sitting in and, *big shock* some 17 year old girl was texting and holding up the entire flow of traffic behind her instead of paying attention to the road. I've been in Seattle for 6 months and they have a no tolerance, hands free only law and it makes a HUGE world of difference as far as people paying attention to the road. I think some family member told me a while back that they made texting a ticketable offense in VA but they shouldn't stop there. The key is to make use of a cell phone via the handset while driving a large fine. They will make a ton of money off of it because, just like people trying to use HOV with one person in the car, they will get caught.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:01 PM
 
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I didn't know a couple of bloggers represented "conservatives" suddenly. I thought we all took our marching orders from Fox News. Sheesh, I missed the group memo about taking orders from a couple of obscure bloggers instead.

How does this relate to NoVA again?
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I've been in Seattle for 6 months and they have a no tolerance...
Yes, Seattle has no tolerance for people who are not Democrats or Socialists, but if you are an anarcho-syndicalist bent on burning cars and smashing Starbucks windows (aka private property), you are welcome:

(From the infamous anti-WTO riots in Seattle)

We might tolerate teenagers driving and talking, but we would NOT tolerate this in NoVA.

Yes, I am being sarcastic.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:35 AM
 
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but if you are an anarcho-syndicalist


Could not resist


Monty Python- The Annoying Peasant - YouTube
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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That is exactly why I used that phrase.
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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As soon as I saw that phrase, the entire bit ran through my head. Complete with music and coconut sound effects.
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