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Old 05-30-2013, 02:46 PM
 
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My only question in this is: 5 rounds? I've been to Costco. I've never seen BigFoot handing out free pizza cubes before. If anything, 2 (one for each leg) would stop and drop just about anything long enough for the medics to come and keep the person alive. 5, seems like a decision to bypass "stop" and go straight to "dead". But, I am only speculating here, I don't know the whole story either. I don't think I'll be eating Costco pizza though for a while, just in case those mushrooms aren't exactly the right kind, if you catch my drift..
Shooting at the leg? Come on. The leg is a mass of soft tissue surrounding one bone. The officer would have to hit the bone to ensure collapse of the leg. That's too small of a target to be realistic - it doesn't work like the movies. When you shoot someone with a bullet, they don't just suddenly drop and become incapacitated.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:49 PM
 
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Remember, too, that some drugs give people extreme strength and power. These officers had no idea what set had her off -- psychosis, drugs, who knows? When the taser did not work and she continued advancing, these deputies had a split second to make a decision. It's very easy for us to second guess their decision.

Also, do you have any idea how difficult it would be to just "shoot the leg" of an armed, angry, approaching person who may have been flailing about and threatening one of the officers?

These officers put their lives on the line every day for us. A simple traffic stop could lead to their death. I think we need to give them the benefit of the doubt until an investigation proves otherwise.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:49 PM
 
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Because this is a human life. A mentally ill person is still a person. A normal angry person does not wave a knife unprivoked at work toward police officers. In most of the countries of the world, this woman will not be shot to death. Instead of shooting her five times, they could shoot her in the leg.
I don't see how this necessarily means that the officer must disregard his/her own safety and give the suspect the benefit of the doubt as they come rushing in with a knife. Officers are frequently the target and unfortunately the victim of unprovoked violence.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Google "police protocol for dealing with a knife wielding man". This situation doesn't appear to be at odds with how it was handled in others.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Town of Herndon/DC Metro
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Because this is a human life. A mentally ill person is still a person. A normal angry person does not wave a knife unprivoked at work toward police officers. In most of the countries of the world, this woman will not be shot to death. Instead of shooting her five times, they could shoot her in the leg.


If airplane passengers can tapeup/tieup dangerous passengers, then well trained law enforcement should be able to take down a 38 yo woman, who probably is not Shaq sized.

I hope the ACLU/NAMI gets involved.
And I'm a GOP!
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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Because this is a human life. A mentally ill person is still a person. A normal angry person does not wave a knife unprivoked at work toward police officers. In most of the countries of the world, this woman will not be shot to death. Instead of shooting her five times, they could shoot her in the leg.
I will drop out of this before I say something I will regret. But the lack of any knowledge in these situations is just astounding. Let's meet somewhere and I'll use a rubber knife and one of you can use a sim gun. I'll charge you and you see how well you can shoot me in the leg with two shots.
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Old 05-30-2013, 03:00 PM
 
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I was taught how to disarm a knife wielder using just a rolled-up magazine. However, they've apparently dropped rolled-up magazine fighting from the academy curriculum.
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Old 05-30-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Town of Herndon/DC Metro
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I was taught how to disarm a knife wielder using just a rolled-up magazine. However, they've apparently dropped rolled-up magazine fighting from the academy curriculum.
Readers Digest? or Interview Magazine..
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Old 05-30-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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Readers Digest? or Interview Magazine..
Only the hard core dudes go with the Readers Digest. I'm more of a Rolling Stone fan, or was until they downsized.
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Old 05-30-2013, 03:16 PM
 
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I doubt Loudoun deputies go to an academy.

However, without judging the actual justification for shooting, I've always read that, should shooting be the decided reaction, then shooting essentially to kill is THE method to use - you've already decided to use force that quite likely can be fatal so you use the force to stop the perpetrator, period, without concern about anythingother than stopping the perpetrator.
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