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Old 07-09-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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They used to do license checks quite a bit back in the 60s and early 70's. Not so much in modern times (in my experience).

The last time I did go through a check point, they were looking for seat belt usage (and probably tags, inspection, etc), but they didn't stop anybody that I saw....except ME. I was driving one of our oldest school buses and all it had was a lap belt...no shoulder belt like the newer ones have. I guess they figured I wasn't wearing my seat belt when didn't see the shoulder belt. Never asked to see my license.

I don't really oppose spot checks....there's a lot of folks in jail/prison because of a burned out taillight or dead tags, etc. Timothy McVeigh was stopped because of expired tags....
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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You don't oppose spot checks?

How do you feel about the fourth amendment?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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They used to do license checks quite a bit back in the 60s and early 70's. Not so much in modern times (in my experience).

The last time I did go through a check point, they were looking for seat belt usage (and probably tags, inspection, etc), but they didn't stop anybody that I saw....except ME. I was driving one of our oldest school buses and all it had was a lap belt...no shoulder belt like the newer ones have. I guess they figured I wasn't wearing my seat belt when didn't see the shoulder belt. Never asked to see my license.

I don't really oppose spot checks....there's a lot of folks in jail/prison because of a burned out taillight or dead tags, etc. Timothy McVeigh was stopped because of expired tags....
Right. Those people were stopped for a reason (expired tags). They weren't stopped just for the case if stopping them.
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Old 07-09-2014, 01:00 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood, CA from Arlington, VA
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You don't oppose spot checks?

How do you feel about the fourth amendment?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
The Supreme Court has said it's constitutional. If you don't agree with it, start walking or use public transportation. Driving is a privilege.

I have been stopped in downtown Atlanta for this before, but that's not surprising considering that it's downtown Atlanta. I don't know what they're looking for though.
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Old 07-09-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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Generally random police stoppages are unconstitutional. Sobriety checkpoints however, ARE constitutional, but there are somewhat strict procedural outlines on how the police can carry these out. On the other hand, checkpoints to search for illegal drugs are unconstitutional. Constitutionality is dependent on the purpose of the stop.

Maybe they were searching for a criminal?
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Old 07-09-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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Generally random police stoppages are unconstitutional. Sobriety checkpoints however, ARE constitutional, but there are somewhat strict procedural outlines on how the police can carry these out. On the other hand, checkpoints to search for illegal drugs are unconstitutional. Constitutionality is dependent on the purpose of the stop.

Maybe they were searching for a criminal?
I believe you are mistakenly using "constitutional", when you mean "legal". The Constitution does not specifically address sobriety checkpoints versus illegal drug checkpoints. In the eyes of the constitution, they are really the same.

Our legislators have defined the difference between the two, and until now the courts have (mostly)agreed; making one legal (sobriety), and the other not (illegal drugs). Whether something is actually "constitutional" is all opinion.
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Old 07-09-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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I believe you are mistakenly using "constitutional", when you mean "legal". The Constitution does not specifically address sobriety checkpoints versus illegal drug checkpoints. In the eyes of the constitution, they are really the same.

Our legislators have defined the difference between the two, and until now the courts have (mostly)agreed; making one legal (sobriety), and the other not (illegal drugs). Whether something is actually "constritutional" is all opinion.
The Constitution is a set of laws. It's majority interpretations, while it may be matters of opinions to you, are law.
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Old 07-09-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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It is possible that the police were stopping all cars and checking licenses because they were actually on the lookout for someone. It would be "easy" way to check all cars without alarming the public.....
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Old 07-09-2014, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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I guess that makes sense considering every driver was being asked. Still, there must have been some reason behind them asking.
Not necessarily. Checking details are legal in VA as long as certain protocol is followed. Must follow a pattern. Stop and check every car, every 3, 5, 10 or whatever. Just can't stop random cars. And asking for an OL is most certainly legal. Registration as well as insurance. They may be doing this for no reason as it allows them to check a large number of drivers to make sure they are legal. Anything spotted during these stops such as expired tags, inspections and so on can also be enforced.
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Old 07-09-2014, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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You don't oppose spot checks?

How do you feel about the fourth amendment?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
This argument hasn't worked with this courts in the past so it's not going to work with you.
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