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And that is a reputable source how? What are the actual statistics and how do they compare to national numbers. Again, if all the schools are way above the average, it becomes less meaningful.
I don't know schooldigger, or how they rank schools, but there are a lot of dubious information sources on the internet purporting great schools in one area versus another. There was one that said Wise County had a great school... I highly doubt that.
For instance, it looks like one metric that it uses to evaluate is the percentage of free lunch. It looks like it uses Standardized tests heavily as well. WHAT are the rates of graduation. What are the rates of university acceptance. What are the availability of AP programs. Those are way more important than socio-economic demographics. PS, your slam dunk is meaningless to me, and shows how close minded you are that you think your links to a third rate unaccredited website that doesn't even indicate HOW they weight schools and how they do their "study" add anything to the discussion. Pretty bad at debating, you must have gone to one of those free lunch schools.
BTW, to show how meaningless of a website you linked
And that is a reputable source how? What are the actual statistics and how do they compare to national numbers. Again, if all the schools are way above the average, it becomes less meaningful.
I don't know schooldigger, or how they rank schools, but there are a lot of dubious information sources on the internet purporting great schools in one area versus another. There was one that said Wise County had a great school... I highly doubt that.
They use SOL test scores and to compare all schools in virginia. If you want to sit down and add the school scores up and compare them feel free to do that here but the results will be the same.
You asked for an example of a neighborhood in NoVA where the demographics of the school did not mirror the demographics of a neighborhood zoned for that school. So, I gave you one. I never said that perceived school quality does not affect housing values - it most certainly does. The only point I am trying to make is that two of your earlier claims are patently incorrect. One, you claimed that real estate zoned for a select group of 10 high schools is the least risky real estate to buy. I disagree for the reasons I stated earlier. Two, you claimed that the demographics of a neighborhood are always going to reflect the demographics of children at the schools for which they are zoned. That can be the case where the majority of households have children in school, but that is very often not the case, as illustrated by the example I showed you.
Just as a factoid, because I don't want to get too drawn into the "schools drive real estate values" vs. "location drives school ratings" debate, most of the Lee HS boundary is in the Springfield CDP, not the Newington CDP.
So the demographics at Lee reflect the feeder neighborhoods into Crestwood, Lynbrook, Garfield and Forestdale ES in the Springfield CDP, not just those in the Saratoga ES and Rolling Valley ES district in the Newington CDP that feed into Lee.
And that is a reputable source how? What are the actual statistics and how do they compare to national numbers. Again, if all the schools are way above the average, it becomes less meaningful.
I don't know schooldigger, or how they rank schools, but there are a lot of dubious information sources on the internet purporting great schools in one area versus another. There was one that said Wise County had a great school... I highly doubt that.
For instance, it looks like one metric that it uses to evaluate is the percentage of free lunch. It looks like it uses Standardized tests heavily as well. WHAT are the rates of graduation. What are the rates of university acceptance. What are the availability of AP programs. Those are way more important than socio-economic demographics. PS, your slam dunk is meaningless to me, and shows how close minded you are that you think your links to a third rate unaccredited website that doesn't even indicate HOW they weight schools and how they do their "study" add anything to the discussion. Pretty bad at debating, you must have gone to one of those free lunch schools.
Bad debating, free lunch schools? Are you running out of things to say? SOL scores are used to determine school performance.
BTW, you have to be pretty ignorant to think that SOL scores have no impact on graduation or college acceptance.
How exactly is it a third rate unaccredited website? High SOLs and low FARMS go hand in hand.
Look I get it this area is expensive but I don't try to make believe that you don't suffer consequences from buying in a lower cost lower performing school pyramid. You can't go wrong if you buy in McLean, Langley High School, Madison, or George Mason High School pyramid.
They use SOL test scores and to compare all schools in virginia. If you want to sit down and add the school scores up and compare them feel free to do that here but the results will be the same.
Same thing with Langley on that bogus website of yours. Perhaps you need to find a website that doesn't look like it was created by someone with a primitive knowledge of PHP and HTML as your go to source from now on.
Why is it third rate?
It provides no statement on HOW it calculates ranking, which completely is contradicted by anyone who actually has knowledge about particular schools, like in this case Langley and McLean. Explain to me how McLean highschool is only in the 78 percentile in Virginia on your website otherwise.
If you agree that McLean is much much higher on that list, per USNews by the way, then you must concur that the methodology of that third rate website has some faults. One could investigate why the numbers were far off, if they actually provided evidence on HOW they are calculating. They arent just calculating by SOL scores, otherwise, again, McLean high school would not be so low.
And again, you have no ability to discuss this subject evidently because your entire thesis is based on what some random website tells you. Well I can find all sorts of false information on the internet, it doesn't mean its factual or useful.
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And that is a reputable source how? What are the actual statistics and how do they compare to national numbers. Again, if all the schools are way above the average, it becomes less meaningful.
I don't know schooldigger, or how they rank schools, but there are a lot of dubious information sources on the internet purporting great schools in one area versus another. There was one that said Wise County had a great school... I highly doubt that.
For instance, it looks like one metric that it uses to evaluate is the percentage of free lunch. It looks like it uses Standardized tests heavily as well. WHAT are the rates of graduation. What are the rates of university acceptance. What are the availability of AP programs. Those are way more important than socio-economic demographics. PS, your slam dunk is meaningless to me, and shows how close minded you are that you think your links to a third rate unaccredited website that doesn't even indicate HOW they weight schools and how they do their "study" add anything to the discussion. Pretty bad at debating, you must have gone to one of those free lunch schools.
BTW, to show how meaningless of a website you linked
Fairfax county is experiencing a major shift in demographics and income. You can no longer use the argument that all schools are the same because many areas are being flooded by lower income ESOL populations.
Good schools do insulate you from housing downfalls.
You can keep saying the same thing over and over again. That doesn't make it true. You have offered zero evidence of this claim, particularly as applied to specific schools or neighborhoods in Fairfax County.
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I have reviewed your previous posts and it appears that you don't regard school quality as an important factor in your housing decision because in your words " I wouldn't personally rule out any particular home or neighborhood simply because of which pyramid it was in. It is certainly a factor to be considered, but I don't think the differences between schools in this area is enough to warrant it being a wholly deciding factor."
That is your bias but most people with school aged children don't subscribe to that attitude.
I regard school quality as important factor, but not a decisive factor in Fairfax County. I think there are opportunities at almost all of the schools in Fairfax County for a motivated student to succeed and an unmotivated student to not succeed. Most people who disagree with this have only average statistics from some website to quote me, not any actual experience with any of the lesser regarded schools of which they speak. But, I'm not really sure why you're choosing to quote a post of mine from a different thread. My points on this thread, if you were able to understand them, are actually quite different.
Same thing with Langley on that bogus website of yours. Perhaps you need to find a website that doesn't look like it was created by someone with a primitive knowledge of PHP and HTML as your go to source from now on.
Why is it third rate?
It provides no statement on HOW it calculates ranking, which completely is contradicted by anyone who actually has knowledge about particular schools, like in this case Langley and McLean. Explain to me how McLean highschool is only in the 78 percentile in Virginia on your website otherwise.
If you agree that McLean is much much higher on that list, per USNews by the way, then you must concur that the methodology of that third rate website has some faults. One could investigate why the numbers were far off, if they actually provided evidence on HOW they are calculating. They arent just calculating by SOL scores, otherwise, again, McLean high school would not be so low.
And again, you have no cognitive ability to discuss this subject evidently because your entire thesis is based on what some random website tells you. Well I can find all sorts of false information on the internet, it doesn't mean its factual or useful.
The sniff test? Both websites us news, greatschool and school digger put McLean in the top 10 out of close to 280 schools. They all come to the same conclusion.
Now I can agree with your argument that there is no reason to argue between schools but only in the top 10 from the ratings on those three websites because they are all good. There is good reason to argue that not all schools in fairfax county are good.
Just as a factoid, because I don't want to get too drawn into the "schools drive real estate values" vs. "location drives school ratings" debate, most of the Lee HS boundary is in the Springfield CDP, not the Newington CDP.
So the demographics at Lee reflect the feeder neighborhoods into Crestwood, Lynbrook, Garfield and Forestdale ES in the Springfield CDP, not just those in the Saratoga ES and Rolling Valley ES district in the Newington CDP that feed into Lee.
You are absolutely right and even if I had showed the FARMs and racial make-up of Saratoga ES compared to Newington CDP or that of the Springfield CDP vs. Lee HS, one would see significant differences, although perhaps not as much of a difference as that of Newington CDP vs. Lee HS.
You can keep saying the same thing over and over again. That doesn't make it true. You have offered zero evidence of this claim, particularly as applied to specific schools or neighborhoods in Fairfax County.
I regard school quality as important factor, but not a decisive factor in Fairfax County. I think there are opportunities at almost all of the schools in Fairfax County for a motivated student to succeed and an unmotivated student to not succeed. Most people who disagree with this have only average statistics from some website to quote me, not any actual experience with any of the lesser regarded schools of which they speak. But, I'm not really sure why you're choosing to quote a post of mine from a different thread. My points on this thread, if you were able to understand them, are actually quite different.
Money is a factor, if you had a 1.5 million budget you wouldn't be singing the same tune. People in this area end up settling and justifying it because it's with in their budget. Why do you think people are willing to live in a 750K cracker box house in McLean or North Arlington vs a lower cost area such as Springfield or Falls Church Route 50 7 corners? For the schools and location.
Yes a good student can succeed anywhere but a good student can do even better when surrounded by high performing students with parents who are involved in the school PTA and extracurricular activities.
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