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Old 10-08-2015, 04:25 PM
 
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Fair enough, but it sounds like you're in the minority among the "stop the store" people, many of whom seem to think a gun store is a giant outdoor flea market filled with militia types roaming around and a "take a gun/leave a gun" sign by the cash register. So yes, people who think a gun store is anything but highly secured, highly regulated (on penalty of a felony--e.g., straw purchases) and off limits to felons are in fact ignorant on this particular issue.

Someone asserted that crazy people could theoretically buy a gun at this store and then be inspired to attack the school. But mass shooters do not seem to commit their crimes on the spur of the moment; they plan them out methodically. Their gun purchases are not impulse buys, and who they choose to attack has not so far been an impromptu choice based on whatever location happens to be near where they bought the gun. And think about it: If there were any truth to the opposite contention, why would we allow a gun store to be near anything else at all?

As I said earlier in the thread, a gun store is about as much an immediate danger to anyone nearby as a pharmacy is.

I mean, we have on this thread a retired police officer who says he'd be fine with a gun store near his home. This is a person who has dealt with violent gunmen repeatedly over the decades and has probably been threatened or worse by criminals with guns. That he isn't worried about a gun store should mean something.
The fact that someone could buy a gun at the store and only after doing so launch an attack on the adjacent school is not the same as suggesting that the idea of attacking a school would only occur after the person had bought the weapon. Faulty logic.

Whether a retired cop or security guard (whose actual interactions with violent, armed criminals may or may not be nearly as extensive as you've suggested in your rhetorical zeal, impossible to verify) now is personally comfortable with guns really should not determine whether residents of another community should refrain from engaging in advocacy to influence zoning and commercial land use decisions in their community. The latter happens all the time, and there's nothing in the Second Amendment that suggests others have to roll over and agree that every place where a gun store owner has decided to set up shop is an appropriate or acceptable location. This gun store would not be permitted so close to a school in many parts of the country today.

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Old 10-08-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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So where did you read this? Parents are absolutely pulling their kids based on a single issue and you Know this by reading.....where exactly?

Similar tactic was used by Harry Reid when he said "word is out that Mr Romney wasn't paying his taxes for a decade". Are you sure about the facts here?
It was mentioned in a WUSA9 article, I believe.

It's also discussed in this release by this gun control advocacy group.

VIRGINIA GUN GROUP LAUNCHES INTIMIDATION CAMPAIGN IN MCLEAN
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Old 10-08-2015, 06:46 PM
 
Location: NOVA
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It was mentioned in a WUSA9 article, I believe.

It's also discussed in this release by this gun control advocacy group.

VIRGINIA GUN GROUP LAUNCHES INTIMIDATION CAMPAIGN IN MCLEAN
The article you quoted included citizens wearing stickers....that said "guns save lives", a photo of the gun store owner and mentioned the landlord's name. Who is intimidating who? The news source is the anti-gun lobby, hardly credible for facts in this issue on truthful reporting.
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Old 10-08-2015, 08:30 PM
 
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The article you quoted included citizens wearing stickers....that said "guns save lives", a photo of the gun store owner and mentioned the landlord's name. Who is intimidating who? The news source is the anti-gun lobby, hardly credible for facts in this issue on truthful reporting.
As I said, the withdrawals were also reported by WUSA9, a CBS affiliate.

I don't understand your problem with the photos, which were taken at a public meeting where multiple TV crews and reporters were present before the meeting even started. Any pro-gun advocates who showed up there armed to the teeth and sporting "guns save lives" stickers did so fully expecting to get media attention, which some of them clearly crave. They didn't travel dozens of miles to McLean to sit through a meeting primarily devoted to such topics as the widening of Route 66, the rezoning of select parcels in Tysons, movie night at the MCC, and aging-in-place programs for the elderly. They came so they could cheer for the gun shop owners, shout down community residents if the opportunities arose, and maybe get their faces and guns plastered somewhere on-line.

The CSGV article does not mention the current landlord's name. However, even if it did, that would not even remotely constitute harassment, much less harassment comparable to the harassment of some of the McLean residents seeking to have the gun store relocated (very typical of the way that some angry, frustrated men harass certain women on-line and in real life).

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Old 10-09-2015, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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OK, you got me. You should take Metro instead. It's extremely reliable, particularly on the weekends.

Troublemaker.
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Old 10-09-2015, 06:28 AM
 
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The fact that someone could buy a gun at the store and only after doing so launch an attack on the adjacent school ......
I'm not sure you understand what the word "fact" means. A person does not need to buy a gun at this particular store (or any gun store for that matter) in order to launch an attach on an elementary school.

Attacks on schools, people, theaters, trains, etc are awful. My heart breaks for the victims. But the focus should be on the attacker and their mental illness, not their choice of weapon.
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Old 10-09-2015, 06:36 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood, CA from Arlington, VA
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I cannot believe that gun group put a picture of the Virginia Tech Shooter on their RV to glorify him. That is disgusting.

But then again, they are trailer trash from Midlothian...
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Old 10-09-2015, 06:45 AM
 
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But then again, they are trailer trash from Midlothian...
Name calling and generalizations; that's classy of you.
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Old 10-09-2015, 06:46 AM
 
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What does abortion have to do with gun violence?

Those folks that showed up from out of town at the McLean meeting are complete loonies. There's no two ways about it.
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Old 10-09-2015, 07:02 AM
 
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I'm not sure you understand what the word "fact" means. A person does not need to buy a gun at this particular store (or any gun store for that matter) in order to launch an attach on an elementary school.

Attacks on schools, people, theaters, trains, etc are awful. My heart breaks for the victims. But the focus should be on the attacker and their mental illness, not their choice of weapon.
Limiting the sale and distribution of guns where possible, and objecting to the transparent efforts to subject children to the daily sale of guns in their communities, are other appropriate areas of focus.

And the same right-wing clowns who make the argument you're making are typically among the first to object to increased funding for mental health and other social services, so that argument falls flat.

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