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Old 04-18-2017, 09:56 AM
 
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Are you required by law to stop at those ridiculous stop signs in shopping centers? I could see stopping if pedestrians are present, but what if they're not? Of course, I think pedestrians should yield to vehicles. It used to be that way. I don't know why things have changed. I see idiots just walking right out into the road without looking. My favorite (and I say that sarcastically), are the idiots who don't look because they're so busy looking at their phones. I wish they'd walk into a lamp post.
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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I think I checked on that a few years ago. Are you referring to those stop "bars?" Anyway, yes, I believe it is a legal requirement to stop.
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Old 04-18-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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It is not a legal requirement to stop at a stop sign on private property unless said property has a signed agreement with the local PD. And I've only seen this done in a few townhome type developments. In VA, the criminal/traffic charges that can be enforced on pvt property is DUI, (Implied Consent does not apply unless it's changed since I retired) Hit and Run and Reckless Driving. If someone runs a stop sign in a parking lot and hits someone that has no stop sign you could potentially see a Reckless Driving summons. But enforcing the code section for a Stop sign is no.
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Old 04-18-2017, 12:46 PM
 
Location: West Springfield, VA
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My favorite (and I say that sarcastically), are the idiots who don't look because they're so busy looking at their phones. I wish they'd walk into a lamp post.
Those idiots are only surpassed by the bigger idiots who are piloting a ton of steel and plastic down a road (or through a shopping center), and who don't look where they're driving because they're so busy looking at their phones...
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Old 04-19-2017, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Chester County, PA
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There may not be any legal requirement to stop at a stop sign on private property, but I think the intent when someone puts up a "stop" sign is that you're supposed to stop under all circumstances. If they merely wanted you to yield to pedestrians, why not put up that sign? Personally, I always stop at stop signs in shopping centers, even if I don't see any pedestrians. Small children can pop out of nowhere when you least expect it. Moreover, no one should be driving fast through a shopping center parking lot in the first place. Is it really that difficult to take an extra 10-15 seconds out of your trip to help ensure that the parking lot is a safe place? And pedestrians yielding to vehicles? Sorry, I've never heard anyone say that was the law or customary. Now, vehicles refusing to yield to pedestrians? I encounter that just about every day - usually, so they can turn the corner and get to the next red light 5 seconds faster than they would have had they legally yielded to the pedestrian.
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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Feel free to stop at all of the stop signs in lots if you want. But I won't. If there are people or cars around then sure. but some of these shopping centers have more stop signs in their lots than the entire neighborhood around them.
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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I agree with Bigfoot. If there are no cars, and no pedestrians, I only slow down. If either are near, I stop.
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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It depends. Property owners can enter into an agreement with the police to enforce the traffic code on private property or a private road.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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In shopping centers that are REASONABLE about Stop signs (I'm talking about real, red stop signs - not the stop lines painted on the roadway) - I stop at those (kind of rolling stop if no peds. around). I don't stop at the painted line ones unless, again, there are peds.
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