NOVA is the most unfriendly avoiding place I've ever lived (Oakton: stores, moving to)
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exactly. some people seem to take it personally when NoVA is called out for what it is. FCNova, it sounds like you've just grown accustomed to this lifestyle and don't know any different. just my two cents.
If you're referring to me I'm not taking anything personal. NOVA isn't for everyone. But you're not calling NOVA out for what it is. You're just stating that you couldn't cut it here and should probably move somewhere else.
This exchange is pretty civil, actually. It's staying on topic, too.
I don't doubt that many people love living in NoVA/DC. What I do not care for is the attitude of many who live there that the NoVA/DC area is superior in intellect/culture/services to every other part of the United States. The arrogance is unpleasant.
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Thank you for providing me with an example of the arrogant attitude. That's exactly what I mean.
You're welcome. My point, and what I wish those of you who stereotype people here would understand, is that what I said is no more arrogant than most of the anti-DC people comments. There is an undertone to all of these types of posts that many of us can see right through. It generally reads something like: "Gosh I hate these people who think they're so much better than everyone! I am so much better than they are!"
This exchange is pretty civil, actually. It's staying on topic, too.
I don't doubt that many people love living in NoVA/DC. What I do not care for is the attitude of many who live there that the NoVA/DC area is superior in intellect/culture/services to every other part of the United States. The arrogance is unpleasant.
I'm not really disagreeing with that. But I find this thread catty, tiresome, negative, and devoid of any useful information. Do we really need 400 posts on this topic, with its thread subject worded in such an ungrammatical and juvenile fashion? (And yeah, I'm now gulity for two of those posts.)
Can't the mods move it to the "Politics and Other Controversies" subforum? It's just an energy-drainer--a seed of petty incivility among otherwise helpful advice and thoughtful insights.
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You're welcome. My point, and what I wish those of you who stereotype people here would understand, is that what I said is no more arrogant than most of the anti-DC people comments. There is an undertone to all of these types of posts that many of us can see right through. It generally reads something like: "Gosh I hate these people who think they're so much better than everyone! I am so much better than they are!"
To me, you are reading--incorrectly, I will add--more into the observations than people have written.
It's this reaction to posters who write anything less than flattering about NoVA/DC that makes many people develop a dislike for the NoVA/DC culture or mindset.
I lived in San Diego for a while (don't have family there). It was nice, and the people were great... but it's also the only place I've ever been told "you are what you drive."
For what it's worth, I think the people here are pretty great too. They just aren't as apt to walk up to you and be all chummy when they don't know you. I think it might have something to do with turnover. Making and being a good friend takes effort and work--and it sucks to put all that effort into a friendship and the friend moves away in two years with a transfer. And then it happens again and again with friend after friend... after a while, you don't try. It's not that you don't like people or are unfriendly, it's just that you are burnt out on it.
Anyway, I've lived here (of course), San Diego, Guam, the midwest and a few places up and down the East Coast. I find that people are pretty much the same where ever you go. Maybe not culturally, but as far as humanity goes they are the same. You have nice folks and mean folks, polite and rude, friendly and backstabbing... pretty much everywhere. But because places are a little different culturally, they express it differently. And you have to learn to adjust to the culture and figure out how to fit in... the culture is big where ever you go, it won't form around you, you have to fit in to it.
Arrogance exists in all parts of the country. Clearly there are many thoughtful people in the greater DC area. However, If more arrogance is publicly displayed in and around DC, either by choice or by reason of fitting in, is it stereotyping to point this out?
See, I don't think more arrogance is publicly displayed. I think what some people are seeing as arrogance is really indifference. I think people in the DC area are more apt to just overlook you, like you aren't there more so than other parts of the country. It's not that they are hostile or think they are better--they just literally don't see you... people they don't know blend in to the fabric of the area. And again, I don't think that's unique to this area... but I think it is more pronounced because of the transient nature of this area.
Think of it this way, in an office where you know everyone and have worked with them for years, you are apt to be more friendly than if you have a temp job with a high turn over. At the temp job, you might not even say hello to everyone, but at the long time job you smile and ask how everyone's weekend way. It's not that you, as a person are any different, it's just that the social situation/culture is different.
What happened to the ever-looming threat of being carjacked?
Don't recall writing that it's "ever-looming." Thanks again for putting words into my mouth.
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Unless you are willing say to drive north in a southbound lane, no amount of space will allow you to detour unless there is an actual place to pull off. And if there were, the first person to accomplish it would create at least a car-length of this precious space that you so unreasonably crave. All that really results from your inexplicable behavior behind the wheel is that cars that could have pulled into a left turn lane behind you can't, and cars that would have made the light before it changed again don't. You are making yourself part of the problem, not part of the solution.
What? When there is an accident up ahead sometimes, the fact that I left myself some room allows me to take a u-turn and find a detour. Some others do it too. The ones who boxed themselves in completely are just trapped. I don't see how I am adding to the problem.
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Odd then that the founders wrote the First Amendment the way they did.
Just because something is legal does not make it a right or moral thing to do.
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Most of which are coordinated from along K Street.
Pah! Maybe fake grassroots activities that are designed to aid access-based politics. I have worked with and aided a number of grassroots causes whose activists absolutely abhor access-based politics and do absolutely zilch with purveyors of such trade. They hate such purveyors on their side of the issues even more than their philosophical opponents.
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Nor that its offices are located at one of the two intersections of 15th and K Streets NW, I'm guessing.
There are lots of offices of all kinds around that area, so what?
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I sense that another classic ILD diverison is underway.
You are something. You gratuitously bring up The Examiner (anything that clashes with your political views must be brought up at every opportunity for random bashing regardless of context or issue at hand) and then when you get a response back, it's "diversion!"
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Well, your documentation of it has been awfully weak.
Really? I didn't know I had to provide "documentation" for every statement I write here. Do you?
Federal agents broke up a sex-slave trafficking ring along the East Coast that coerced Korean women into working as prostitutes in massage parlors and spas, some in upscale Washington neighborhoods such as Cleveland Park and Glover Park, authorities announced yesterday. Agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the FBI arrested 31 people Tuesday, including 19 in New York and four in the District...
The businesses raided in Washington included the OK Spa, 2428 Wisconsin Ave. NW; 14K Spa, 1413 K St. NW; Downtown Spa, 1018 Vermont Ave. NW; Royal Spa, 520 10th St. NW; and Cleveland Park Holistic Health, 3520 Connecticut Ave. NW. [Boldfaces mine.]
And, yes, I do see irony because of what's touted in WaPo's classifieds.
In any case, I hope from this point on, you will provide documentation for every claim you make.
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As for client profiles, we haven't seen any of those.
The raid made the evening news and the location and alleged client profiles were main topics of the coverage. Sorry I don't have a digital version of the video handy for the moment. As for the profiles of the clients, why don't you make a FOIA request? Good luck.
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Just as we haven't seen any connection back to the totally inaccurate characterization of street life on Capitol Hill that you posted in suggestng that the frostiness of the DC area was "well documented". All we had there was a case of hopelessly shallow and misleading reporting followed by this scampering off into allegations concerning a K Street neighborhood that you are also not familiar with.
First of all, I am not the one who suggested anything about "frostiness of the DC area." That was another poster. I simply wrote in response to such a claim that I found my neighbors in Loudoun friendlier than my neighbors in Fairfax and wondered aloud whether urbanization and lack of friendliness have some correlations. I happen to like NoVA very much and find people here friendly enough. I am not one of the "people here are so unfriendly, type A, blah, blah, blah" crowd.
Second, I am very familiar with the 15 & K area as I worked nearby at one point. But I guess if you say otherwise, it's all just a figment of my imagination. Just like the raid on a nearby den of whores never took place.
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