Do you consider Virginia to be part of "The South"? (Yorktown: rent, theater)

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by Old Tired Man

Northern VA people have all the southern charm of the nice folks in Newark NJ.

The majority of the population of Newark probably has southern roots (not the Portugese newcomers, of course)

[mcleanexec]

Here is the test. You can ride around south of Fredricksburg with a confederate flag on your truck and nobody will say anything. Do that in Northern Va, you will be looked like a member of the Klan.

Northern Va is North, fredricksburg is the south.

[Unstable]

List of mid-Atlantic states:

New York
New Jersey
Pennsylvania

Source: U.S. Census

[Mahatma X]

The south starts at the Potomac river so yes, NoVa and rest of VA is southern.

[alexei27]

So I would ask...is Culpeper part of NOVA?

In the Culpeper museum the other day, I overheard a woman pointing to a Civil War battle map and telling her son (who was about 5)...this is Brandy Station where the Union came in and "attacked us". Interesting to hear the term "us" possibly applied to the Confederacy.

[CAVA1990]

Originally Posted by brooklynborndad

(though I wonder which group of northerners we really have more of - northeasterners, midwesterners, or far westerners - I wont go by my own experiences, as my location inside the beltway, and the number of Jews in my social circle, distorts things).

Funny how if the place you're from wasn't part of the confederacy you're considered a Northerner. Being from the Far West I don't think of myself as Northern. I think the East West divide is as valid as the North South one.

[CAVA1990]

Originally Posted by alexei27

So I would ask...is Culpeper part of NOVA?

In the Culpeper museum the other day, I overheard a woman pointing to a Civil War battle map and telling her son (who was about 5)...this is Brandy Station where the Union came in and "attacked us". Interesting to hear the term "us" possibly applied to the Confederacy.

During the Civil War where I live in Mount Vernon was kind of a DMZ between Union and Confederate forces. Points further South from DC like Culpeper were definitely Confederate territory where the locals had Southern sympathies. My Culpeper ancestors who migrated to Kentucky and then Missouri around the time of the American Revolution ultimately sided with the Confederacy in Missouri during the Civil War. They took their Southernness West with them.

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by CAVA1990

Funny how if the place you're from wasn't part of the confederacy you're considered a Northerner. Being from the Far West I don't think of myself as Northern. I think the East West divide is as valid as the North South one.

I've never heard anyone refer to someone from California, Nevada, Oregon or Washington as a "northerner." They were called "Westerners" or "West Coasters" (in the case of CA, OR, and WA). But never "northerner."

People from the Midwest are a bit different. On the EC, I think most people would call them "Midwesterners." But in the South, they may call them northern.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by CAVA1990

Funny how if the place you're from wasn't part of the confederacy you're considered a Northerner. Being from the Far West I don't think of myself as Northern. I think the East West divide is as valid as the North South one.

eh. I suppose.

Historically though, SF was heavily northern in its settlement, IIUC, and its accent reflects that. Portland Oregon was named for Portland Maine (And was almost named Boston) though rural Oregon had a lot of midland settlement. Inland california and southern calif had more mixed settlement I think. The greater Mormon belt was pretty solidly "yankee" IIUC. There have of course been waves of subsequent migration, but other than the movement from Texas into new mexico in the latter 20th century, Im not sure any of them transformed the regional character to become more southern.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

I've never heard anyone refer to someone from California, Nevada, Oregon or Washington as a "northerner." They were called "Westerners" or "West Coasters" (in the case of CA, OR, and WA). But never "northerner."

People from the Midwest are a bit different. On the EC, I think most people would call them "Midwesterners." But in the South, they may call them northern.

When I lived in Jacksonville,Fl they definitely called folks from Ohio and Illinois northerners or yankees.

Folks from louisville, they werent quite sure.