GreenVest Forceclosed on 4100 Acres (Arlington, Reston: cul-de-sac, apartment, foreclosure)
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I was wondering for those in Loudon County, I have been doing the rural drive from 50 in Chantilly through Gilberts Corner.
It used to be once you passed South Riding, you were rural.
It used to be....you could drive on Braddock Road and get a real cool sense of what NOVA was like before it sold out.
I have almost given hope that SE Loudon would be spared.
I'd like to know, given the default by Greenvest, is this area from Stone Ridge/Braddock Road to Gilberts Corner going to be preserved and kept as a rural tribute to our heritage.
Or is it likely within the next 5-10 years to become another ugly McMansion South Riding?
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Or is it likely within the next 5-10 years to become another ugly McMansion South Riding?
Since most on this forum think McMansions are the best thing since sliced bread and an efficient use of open space I'd have to guess the latter is the most likely scenario. After realizing that I wasn't going to change the mind of ANYONE on this forum with my months-long evangelizing about the follies of urban sprawl and how it is HARMFUL in the long-run for a metropolitan area to be so dencentralized I've now said "if you can't beat 'em; join 'em!" People on this forum honestly WANT to see everything between Culpeper, Winchester, and Harper's Ferry become a giant cul-de-sac with a Wal-Mart or Burger King thrown in here or there for good measure, so if that's what they want, then I don't want to hear ANY whining on this sub-forum when the traffic congestion around here doubles in 15 years from the lack of people living within range of mass transit due to a lack of PROPER urban planning. Perhaps the current congestion issues we face would NOT be so bad if so many people in charge 20-30 years ago weren't MORONS and actually PLANNED AHEAD to accommodate planned residential growth with an APPROPRIATE system of infrastructure? The mantra around here seems to be "wait until it becomes a problem and THEN spend millions of tax dollars on studies on how to fix it" (i.e. "Transforming Tyson's" as a prime example of trying to turn a automobile-dominated armpit into something borderline sustainable) instead of being PRO-ACTIVE to head off these issues in the first place.
They'll try again, but it may take 10-20 years. Suburban sprawl begets more urbanization farther out from the center of the metropolis. Urbanization begets more suburban sprawl. The extension of the Metro out to Loudoun County will make it easier to build out the commuter bus network farther out. It'll take 20-30 minutes to commute by express bus from the Western Route 50 Corridor and Greater Leesburg into the Metrorail system. I recall that Greenvest has a proposal oustanding to build another Tysons-like high-rise development on Route 28.
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They'll try again, but it may take 10-20 years. Suburban sprawl begets more urbanization farther out from the center of the metropolis. Urbanization begets more suburban sprawl. The extension of the Metro out to Loudoun County will make it easier to build out the commuter bus network farther out. It'll take 20-30 minutes to commute by express bus from the Western Route 50 Corridor and Greater Leesburg into the Metrorail system. I recall that Greenvest has a proposal oustanding to build another Tysons-like high-rise development on Route 28.
They'll try again, but it may take 10-20 years. Suburban sprawl begets more urbanization farther out from the center of the metropolis. Urbanization begets more suburban sprawl. The extension of the Metro out to Loudoun County will make it easier to build out the commuter bus network farther out. It'll take 20-30 minutes to commute by express bus from the Western Route 50 Corridor and Greater Leesburg into the Metrorail system. I recall that Greenvest has a proposal oustanding to build another Tysons-like high-rise development on Route 28.
So is SW Loudon safe?
It would be such a shame to see Braddock Road, a histroic road, to see the final segments become as they are in Fairfax.
It really is nice to get a sense of what the area was...and SW is the last remains.
Since most on this forum think McMansions are the best thing since sliced bread and an efficient use of open space I'd have to guess the latter is the most likely scenario. After realizing that I wasn't going to change the mind of ANYONE on this forum with my months-long evangelizing about the follies of urban sprawl and how it is HARMFUL in the long-run for a metropolitan area to be so dencentralized I've now said "if you can't beat 'em; join 'em!" People on this forum honestly WANT to see everything between Culpeper, Winchester, and Harper's Ferry become a giant cul-de-sac with a Wal-Mart or Burger King thrown in here or there for good measure, so if that's what they want, then I don't want to hear ANY whining on this sub-forum when the traffic congestion around here doubles in 15 years from the lack of people living within range of mass transit due to a lack of PROPER urban planning. Perhaps the current congestion issues we face would NOT be so bad if so many people in charge 20-30 years ago weren't MORONS and actually PLANNED AHEAD to accommodate planned residential growth with an APPROPRIATE system of infrastructure? The mantra around here seems to be "wait until it becomes a problem and THEN spend millions of tax dollars on studies on how to fix it" (i.e. "Transforming Tyson's" as a prime example of trying to turn a automobile-dominated armpit into something borderline sustainable) instead of being PRO-ACTIVE to head off these issues in the first place.
Yea...they complain about traffic...high prices...over-crowded schools...pollution.
We have a chance in this downturn to preserve and make a stance.
This area, NOVA, was once beautiful.
It was full of trees, open fields, and now, well look at Gainesville.
I remember driving there 10 years ago and it STILL was rural.
It would be TERRIBLE if Warrenton/Culpepper/Winchester/Harper's Ferry follow.
At least Gainesville was in PW...but those places are REALLY rural and or scenic mountain spots.
Since most on this forum think McMansions are the best thing since sliced bread and an efficient use of open space I'd have to guess the latter is the most likely scenario. After realizing that I wasn't going to change the mind of ANYONE on this forum with my months-long evangelizing about the follies of urban sprawl and how it is HARMFUL in the long-run for a metropolitan area to be so dencentralized I've now said "if you can't beat 'em; join 'em!" People on this forum honestly WANT to see everything between Culpeper, Winchester, and Harper's Ferry become a giant cul-de-sac with a Wal-Mart or Burger King thrown in here or there for good measure, so if that's what they want, then I don't want to hear ANY whining on this sub-forum when the traffic congestion around here doubles in 15 years from the lack of people living within range of mass transit due to a lack of PROPER urban planning. Perhaps the current congestion issues we face would NOT be so bad if so many people in charge 20-30 years ago weren't MORONS and actually PLANNED AHEAD to accommodate planned residential growth with an APPROPRIATE system of infrastructure? The mantra around here seems to be "wait until it becomes a problem and THEN spend millions of tax dollars on studies on how to fix it" (i.e. "Transforming Tyson's" as a prime example of trying to turn a automobile-dominated armpit into something borderline sustainable) instead of being PRO-ACTIVE to head off these issues in the first place.
I very much agree that planning ahead would help make the problem less severe -- for a while. What is driving the growth is immigration. If you don't get the population down to a sustainable level, the region and country are just going to get paved over no matter how much you plan ahead. I'd even wager that public lands set aside for preservation will get used over time with enough population. I seriously bet that easements will eventually be invalidated in courts with enough pressure over time.
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I just don't understand why planning hasn't been better down here over the past few decades while all of the explosive population growth was occurring. Take Tyson's Corner as a prime example as the poster child of what happens when nobody gives a rat's derriere about urban planning until it's too late. I mean, if the zoning board and/or planning commission for Fairfax County was giving the go-ahead for Ernst & Young, Booz Allen Hamilton, SAIC, and all of these other major corporations to set up shop in Tyson's, then shouldn't they have realized that nearly 100% of those employees would be commuting to work by car (i.e. if Booz Allen Hamilton alone was going to employ 5,000 at its Tyson's campus, then that would be an additional 10,000 trips per day on adjacent roads when you consider round-trip commuting). Throw in two major regional shopping centers and you have the recipe for disaster. If you people had elected people with half a brain into office in your county YEARS AGO, then they would have thought ahead to have planned the Silver Line IN CONJUNCTION with the massive growth in Tyson's, Reston, Loudoun, etc. instead of only planning this as a reactionary band-aid fix. You know this area has problems when I was stuck in traffic congestion TODAY (Saturday) trying to get the hell out of Reston to go for a country run out in Purcellville.
The problem with NoVA isn't the sheer volume of people moving/immigrating here; it's the moronic ways that they are being allocated throughout the area. Instead of promoting transit-oriented developments (a la most of North Arlington) or mixed-use developments (a la Brambleton, Reston Town Center, etc.) we're still seeing a plethora of low-density single-family housing developments where one requires a car to access EVERYTHING springing up in a good large area of Fairfax, Loudoun, and Prince William Counties. Instead of planning ahead with additional Metro and/or VRE lines to service these new developments officials have waited until we garnered the notorious distinction of having the nation's second-worst gridlock and are NOW scrambling to try to fix things when the money isn't there to do so.
I can safely say that when the Silver Line is completed you'll see congestion ease significantly along both Route 7 and Route 267. My car will be one less on the road each day as I will then be able to walk to a Metro station from my apartment AND workplace. Why were places like Tyson's and Reston permitted to grow so MASSIVE without anyone thinking "Gee. I wonder how all of these people are going to get from Point A to Point B?" I saw today that more sprawl was occurring along Route 7 in Ashburn. Gee, I wonder what roadway all of THOSE people are going to be funneling onto. It couldn't be the already overtaxed Route 7, could it?
.....bla bla bla I just don't understand why planning hasn't been better down here over the past few decades while all of the explosive population growth was occurring bla bla bla.....
This happens when there's so much employment and money flowing around here, and we're all listening to National news and not paying attention to what's happening to us within our own counties.
In addition these big real-estate development companies with 9,000 attorneys pimping out these incompetent County executives with underdeveloped laws that can be easily circumvented by anyone with a middle school level education. .
You also have 3 types of people in Northern Virginia. Ones who just moved here within the last few decades who care about planning, the transient military families who don't care about the planning, and the multi-generational family that's been selling out their land to these developers.
I very much agree that planning ahead would help make the problem less severe -- for a while. What is driving the growth is immigration. If you don't get the population down to a sustainable level, the region and country are just going to get paved over no matter how much you plan ahead. I'd even wager that public lands set aside for preservation will get used over time with enough population. I seriously bet that easements will eventually be invalidated in courts with enough pressure over time.
I disagree with this racist statement.
You must be the same Tea Baggers who believe the Palin death panal.
The problem isn't immigrants.
They aren't the ones buying McMansions or Luxury Town homes.
They aren't the ones at Starbucks and upscale retail stores.
They are the ones who are looking for honest work, likely doing the hard manual labor, which the systems feasts on.
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People on this forum honestly WANT to see everything between Culpeper, Winchester, and Harper's Ferry become a giant cul-de-sac with a Wal-Mart or Burger King thrown in here or there for good measure, so if that's what they want, then I don't want to hear ANY whining on this sub-forum when the traffic congestion around here doubles in 15 years from the lack of people living within range of mass transit due to a lack of PROPER urban planning. Perhaps the current congestion issues we face would NOT be so bad if so many people in charge 20-30 years ago weren't MORONS and actually PLANNED AHEAD to accommodate planned residential growth with an APPROPRIATE system of infrastructure? 
The mantra around here seems to be "wait until it becomes a problem and THEN spend millions of tax dollars on studies on how to fix it" (i.e. "Transforming Tyson's" as a prime example of trying to turn a automobile-dominated armpit into something borderline sustainable) instead of being PRO-ACTIVE to head off these issues in the first place.
I saw today that more sprawl was occurring along Route 7 in Ashburn. Gee, I wonder what roadway all of THOSE people are going to be funneling onto. It couldn't be the already overtaxed Route 7, could it? 
