Confederate History Month in VA (Richmond: to live, property, building)

[newhandle]

Originally Posted by Desert kid

Confederates are not comparable to Nazis. Never will be either.

This may be alternate history worthy but, by the time the Boll Weevil comes around, cotton plantations would be in a world of pain in the Confederacy. Things would be forced to mechanize and manual labor in the fields would be obsolete, resulting in many slaves doing nothing, Confederate emmancipation by maybe 1890-1900? And without the travesty that was Reconstruction, much of the bitterness won't be there.

The Confederate States of America had a lot in common with Nazi's. Both had economies dependent on slavery and oppression. Both egaged in eugenics, Nazi's on building a master race and the Confederacy on breeding African Americans. Both instituted torture of their minorites to keep their power. The difference is that Germany faced its horror after the war while Virignia has a bipolar reaction to it. The Sons of the Confederacy still marches in Virginia, there is no institution like that in Germany. Virginia and other Southern States still venerate and yes, worship, men who waged war on the United States, men who by definition, were traitors to the Republic and who were responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of men on the battlefield. Even the unveiling of a small statue of Lincoln on Federal property in Richmond in 2003 caused an uproar with those who worship the Confederacy. The same was true when the statue of Arthur Ashe was put on Monunment Avenue (which one author called the banana belt of snuffed [Confederate] generals). "Time marches on and leaves many in its wake. And fortunately, the wake lessens with the passing of the years. There are not many people who will continue to live in the past." L. Douglas Wilder. Apparently, not enough time.

I grew up in the old South and was taught that slavery was a good thing. Those who say the institution would have died a natural death are dishonoring those who were slaves. No one knows what would have happened without the War and are saying slavery was a good thing inasmuch as those who were slaves should have accepted it, hoping history would take care of them.

[normie]

By the way, today is National Cherish An Antique Day.

At last, a whole day devoted to cherishing ME!

[normie]

Originally Posted by newhandle

I grew up in the old South and was taught that slavery was a good thing.

By whom?

I've lived all over the south, and never seen any school teach anything even remotely like that. Nor is it an attitude I have ever heard people say.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by normie

By whom?

I've lived all over the south, and never seen any school teach anything even remotely like that. Nor is it an attitude I have ever heard people say.

No kidding; what an asinine assertion. Credibility = 0.

[Desert kid]

Originally Posted by miamiman

They are. They have been. They will continue to be. The Nazis exterminated people. Slave owners exterminated the chance of people having freedom. That's just about as good as dead. If someone carried you off tomorrow, forced you to work for them for free for the rest of your life, and restricted your movement, would that feel much different than receiving a death sentence? Doubtful.

The facts are what they are. No amount of skewing can change the fact that what the South stood for was atrocious, and that element of Southern history should not be celebrated.

Confederates didn't exterminate anyone. We're not seeing any Auschwitz in Alabama or anything. And, you neglect to mention that the slave trade, which, when african tribal chiefs sold their own or their captured to American merchants, shipped them to New York and then sold them down south for a higher profit was held up by our Northern States. You have to take these things as if you were a person in 1850 or 1860, it's a normal fact of life. Sweeping history under the rug does favors for no one, it's the worst thing we can do.

Originally Posted by newhandle

The Confederate States of America had a lot in common with Nazi's. Both had economies dependent on slavery and oppression. Both egaged in eugenics, Nazi's on building a master race and the Confederacy on breeding African Americans. Both instituted torture of their minorites to keep their power. The difference is that Germany faced its horror after the war while Virignia has a bipolar reaction to it. The Sons of the Confederacy still marches in Virginia, there is no institution like that in Germany. Virginia and other Southern States still venerate and yes, worship, men who waged war on the United States, men who by definition, were traitors to the Republic and who were responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of men on the battlefield. Even the unveiling of a small statue of Lincoln on Federal property in Richmond in 2003 caused an uproar with those who worship the Confederacy. The same was true when the statue of Arthur Ashe was put on Monunment Avenue (which one author called the banana belt of snuffed [Confederate] generals). "Time marches on and leaves many in its wake. And fortunately, the wake lessens with the passing of the years. There are not many people who will continue to live in the past." L. Douglas Wilder. Apparently, not enough time.

I grew up in the old South and was taught that slavery was a good thing. Those who say the institution would have died a natural death are dishonoring those who were slaves. No one knows what would have happened without the War and are saying slavery was a good thing inasmuch as those who were slaves should have accepted it, hoping history would take care of them.

I guess that's why Nazi Germany was a National Socialist Dictatorship, and the Confederacy was a Constitutional Republic? The Nazis goals were to eventually take over the world, and start a new pecking order by messing with genetics to make everyone Aryan, or the alternative, everyone who isn't Aryan, dead.

And again, secession wasn't treason, look up Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase's quote on the matter. And you talk about the SCV as if they are bad people. You give me one instance of slaves being killed off in large numbers in the C.S.A. in leiu of Nazi Germany, hunch tells me I doubt you will.

[newhandle]

Originally Posted by normie

By whom?

I've lived all over the south, and never seen any school teach anything even remotely like that. Nor is it an attitude I have ever heard people say.

You were most fortunate. I clearly remember it, 7th grade, Mrs. Walker's class. I am perhaps older than you. But you will still find kids being taught the cause was just.

[Bigfoot424]

Originally Posted by LovinDecatur

No kidding; what an asinine assertion. Credibility = 0.

Agreed. I'm a southener from way back and lived in the deep south and NEVER heard what this poster is talking about.

[Tom Lennox 70]

Originally Posted by GreenGene

Our good Governor has apologized for that, and has amended his proclamation.

... the Governor announced that the following language will be added to the Proclamation: WHEREAS, it is important for all Virginians to understand that the institution of slavery led to this war and was an evil and inhumane practice that deprived people of their God-given inalienable rights and all Virginians are thankful for its permanent eradication from our borders, and the study of this time period should reflect upon and learn from this painful part of our history…..

McDonnell apologizes for slavery omission

Unfortunately I'm not surprised by this. The liberal transplants in Northern Virginia are increasingly powerful and have a bigger and bigger voice over the native Virginians and Southerners.

[JD984]

Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70

Unfortunately I'm not surprised by this. The liberal transplants in Northern Virginia are increasingly powerful and have a bigger and bigger voice over the native Virginians and Southerners.

Virgnia's 20% African-American, and most of the state's Black residents are natives, not liberal transplants from north of the Mason-Dixon line. Maybe the Governor's staff listened to a few of their voices as well.

[mississippimagnolia]

Originally Posted by newhandle

You were most fortunate. I clearly remember it, 7th grade, Mrs. Walker's class. I am perhaps older than you. But you will still find kids being taught the cause was just.

No you don't. You are either totally making that up, or you really are old and your memory is fading.

And no where in this country are folks being taught that slavery was a good thing.

No one is more southern than I. My family is from Mississippi generations back. I remember the black nanny that cared for me during summer family reunions....a direct descendant of my family's slaves. I grew up with silver that was "hidden from the Yankees" during the War. I've heard stories of much loved slaves. How well treated slaves were. How they chose to stay even after the war. That black nanny died about 20 years ago in the house my family built for her.

....and even with all the more positive stuff I heard about the past, no one ever, ever, ever even hinted that slavery was anything but a black mark on our Country's otherwise proud past.