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Old 09-17-2010, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Brambleton, VA
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"Ax kept the Metro out because they didn't want a bad element coming in. "

actually I think the path of the RR right of way the metro uses had more to do with the metro route. At the time the metro system was laid out in the late 60s early 70s, old town was pretty much ALL "bad elements"

Perhaps you are thinking of Georgetown?

Georgetown Never Blocked Metro Stop


DC Mythbusting: Georgetown Metro Stop


Suggested reading: The Great Society Subway: A History of the Washington Metro by Zachary M. Schrag
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Old 09-17-2010, 01:14 PM
 
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I love Alexandria. Pretty neighborhoods, nice shops, nice people.
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Old 09-19-2010, 12:22 AM
 
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For anyone not familiar with Old Town Alexandria, please do not be led to believe that getting into and out of the area is anything but VERY DIFFICULT. From someone who has made the weary journey from King Street Metro dozens of times, there are none of the old streets and buildings, and none of the quaint restaurants that one associates with Old Town for at least a mile.

The area around the station is a true accomplishment in providing little to visitors. You have to walk a confusing route down Diagonal Blvd, around forbidding office building edifices and modern art to make your way to King Street and begin the journey. It's easy to get confused and find yourself in an auto jungle in the middle of no where. Once on King Street, unless you have business with places like Sun Trust Bank monolithically nestled along with other monolithic office structures, you won't find much for several blocks until you reach a seedy bar that most would fear to tread.

For those with disabilities or the patience to sit on a bench for half an hour for a lumbering bus to pick you up, this may be an option. For those not physically impared, however, it just doesn't make sense to commute to a Metro Station, ride the Metro, and then wait again for a bus. It can take two hours to get yourself to Old Town from many parts of NOVA. As a former frequent visitor, I found the trolley of no use. Also, the bus system, like most in neighboring Fairfax County is something to be avoided. Who wants to wait?

The best way to get in and out of Old Town, really, it to drive. Leave extra time for circling around blocks to find parallel parking. Eventually, something will open up. Be wary of the many spots designated for residents (nearly always full too anyway) and the ubiquitous white signs for special uses just on the day that you want to park there. Read the parking signs well, especially the times when you are allowed to park.(Often difficult to do until you have already parked.) The police in Old Town are ever on the prowl to ticket. Still, with all of these drawbacks, driving will save you much time.

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Old 09-19-2010, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Macao
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For anyone not familiar with Old Town Alexandria, please do not be led to believe that getting into and out of the area is anything but VERY DIFFICULT. From someone who has made the weary journey from King Street Metro dozens of times, there are none of the old streets and buildings, and none of the quaint restaurants that one associates with Old Town for at least a mile.

The area around the station is a true accomplishment in providing little to visitors. You have to walk a confusing route down Diagonal Blvd, around forbidding office building edifices and modern art to make your way to King Street and begin the journey. It's easy to get confused and find yourself in an auto jungle in the middle of no where. Once on King Street, unless you have business with places like Sun Trust Bank monolithically nestled along with other monolithic office structures, you won't find much for several blocks until you reach a seedy bar that most would fear to tread.

For those with disabilities or the patience to sit on a bench for half an hour for a lumbering bus to pick you up, this may be an option. For those not physically impared, however, it just doesn't make sense to commute to a Metro Station, ride the Metro, and then wait again for a bus. It can take two hours to get yourself to Old Town from many parts of NOVA. As a former frequent visitor, I found the trolley of no use. Also, the bus system, like most others in Fairfax County is something to be avoided. Who wants to wait?

The best way to get in and out of Old Town, really, it to drive. Leave extra time for circling around blocks to find parallel parking. Eventually, something will open up. Be wary of the many spots designated for residents (nearly always full too anyway) and the ubiquitous white signs for special uses just on the day that you want to park there. Read the parking signs well, especially the times when you are allowed to park.(Often difficult to do until you have already parked.) The police in Old Town are ever on the prowl to ticket. Still, with all of these drawbacks, driving will save you much time.
Excellent post - I was just going to ask about the subway stations of Alexandria, etc.

One thing I've been wondering quite a bit...I always hear of ALEXANDRIA being DC-like, but I also always hear of 'OLD TOWN'...and to a lesser extent 'DEL RAY'. What about the REST of Alexandria?

Does it have any of the density of 'Old Town', or does it just become very suburban-like everywhere else?
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Old 09-19-2010, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Very interesting links! It's funny how rumors get started about nimbyism blocking the metro when, in truth, the metro was never even considered for Georgetown for practical reasons.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:49 PM
 
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For anyone not familiar with Old Town Alexandria, please do not be led to believe that getting into and out of the area is anything but VERY DIFFICULT. From someone who has made the weary journey from King Street Metro dozens of times, there are none of the old streets and buildings, and none of the quaint restaurants that one associates with Old Town for at least a mile.
I can see how it would be confusing and long for those who choose to walk from the Metro to the quainter areas. However, during my time working and living here, I discovered or witnessed ways to improve that trip that I will expound upon below.

The area around the station is a true accomplishment in providing little to visitors. You have to walk a confusing route down Diagonal Blvd, around forbidding office building edifices and modern art to make your way to King Street and begin the journey. It's easy to get confused and find yourself in an auto jungle in the middle of no where. Once on King Street, unless you have business with places like Sun Trust Bank monolithically nestled along with other monolithic office structures, you won't find much for several blocks until you reach a seedy bar that most would fear to tread.
Actually, instead of walking across the parking lot to Diagonal Road, you can make a left from the Metro exit and head past the buses to the crosswalk on King Street. RE: Seedy bars, I'm honestly confused as to which bar you are referring to. Hard Times Cafe? Rock It Grill? O'Shaugnessey's Pub? Tiffany Tavern? The first three are open for lunch and are busy serving nearby workers. I visited the Tiffany Tavern one night before I moved to the area and it was far from seedy. I will agree that the red brick theme in Old Town can get monotonous for those who aren't thrilled with it.


For those with disabilities or the patience to sit on a bench for half an hour for a lumbering bus to pick you up, this may be an option. For those not physically impared, however, it just doesn't make sense to commute to a Metro Station, ride the Metro, and then wait again for a bus. It can take two hours to get yourself to Old Town from many parts of NOVA. As a former frequent visitor, I found the trolley of no use. Also, the bus system, like most in neighboring Fairfax County is something to be avoided. Who wants to wait?

There are at least four DASH bus routes that run down most of King Street in addition to the free King Street trolley. I can't believe that DASH would schedule all of those buses a half hour apart. Like all transit buses in the area, DASH buses are accomodating for those who need assistance entering. The King Street trolley does come every 20 minutes and is very reliable. Also, there are two DASH buses that leave from the Braddock Road Metro that head closer to the waterfront area and east of Washington St. I believe if it would take someone two hours to get to Old Town, it would likely take them a similar amount of time to get to Arlington or DC. I don't think that those who live within a Kiss-and-Ride/short bus distance from a Metro station would have that issue.

The best way to get in and out of Old Town, really, it to drive. Leave extra time for circling around blocks to find parallel parking. Eventually, something will open up. Be wary of the many spots designated for residents (nearly always full too anyway) and the ubiquitous white signs for special uses just on the day that you want to park there. Read the parking signs well, especially the times when you are allowed to park.(Often difficult to do until you have already parked.) The police in Old Town are ever on the prowl to ticket. Still, with all of these drawbacks, driving will save you much time.
IMO the worst way to get around Old Town is to drive. It's a slow ride, particularly if you're on King Street behind the trolley and all of the DASH buses .As you inferred, on-street parking is indeed limited although there are at least a couple parking lots east of Washington/north of King.
Beyond having to already endure a long commute to a Metro station or preferring the ample parking usually found in the suburbs, I find it difficult to find common ground with you on this subject.
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:11 PM
 
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I have wanted to say this for a long time,but as in turn,this is my personal opinion.I have lived in Arlington for about 5 yrs. now,and this area remind's me of a large garbage dumpster.Everyone stacked on top of each other like sadines in a can.I stopped at the stop light the other day,and was observing a man and lady mowing thier tiny strip of grass.I could not help but laugh to myself.
The house they lived in was split down the middle,it was an old house that had 2 parts to it,one family lived on the other side.

I heard one lady say,"We got a good deal on this place,we payed around 350 for it." I was thinking,"350,000!!??" For the tincan with one sprig of brown grass??" I just can't take it.I can not live like this.It makes me litterally sick to my stomach thinking about living like that and expect to be happy.Not including the over mass influx of people and illegal's in this area growing and bursting at the seams.The gross traffic.

Yes,my post may have a bit of overcast feel,but this is how i have been feeling ever since i was dragged her to live because of my husband's job.I just hate it here.I have become very depressed.This place is perfect example for divorces as this area produces unhealthy,uptight,overworked exhausted people.

Please don't take this as i am making fun of anyone,i'm not.But it felt good to get that out and say how i truely feel.

Take care
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:33 PM
 
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I stopped at the stop light the other day,and was observing a man and lady mowing thier tiny strip of grass.I could not help but laugh to myself. The house they lived in was split down the middle,it was an old house that had 2 parts to it,one family lived on the other side.

I heard one lady say,"We got a good deal on this place,we payed around 350 for it." I was thinking,"350,000!!??" For the tincan with one sprig of brown grass??"
I'm very sorry to hear about your situation, and I do like Arlington, but this is exactly what I'm talking about.

For those moving into the area, they might benefit from knowing that life does not have to be like this. There are options to get into work without having to live on a postage stamp piece of land. These overpriced, overrated, cramped little places are bad for the human psyche, and worse for raising children.

I wish you well and hope that your situation improves. (Maybe by moving farther out perhaps.)
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:44 PM
 
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Very interesting links! It's funny how rumors get started about nimbyism blocking the metro when, in truth, the metro was never even considered for Georgetown for practical reasons.
That is SO true! People love to dump on rich people, so myths like this flourish. It seems people want to think the worst of those of those who have been successful.
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:49 PM
 
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[quote=Elizabethan1558;15952546]I have wanted to say this for a long time,but as in turn,this is my personal opinion.I have lived in Arlington for about 5 yrs. now,and this area remind's me of a large garbage dumpster.Everyone stacked on top of each other like sadines in a can.I stopped at the stop light the other day,and was observing a man and lady mowing thier tiny strip of grass.I could not help but laugh to myself.
The house they lived in was split down the middle,it was an old house that had 2 parts to it,one family lived on the other side.

I heard one lady say,"We got a good deal on this place,we payed around 350 for it." I was thinking,"350,000!!??" For the tincan with one sprig of brown grass??" I just can't take it.I can not live like this.It makes me litterally sick to my stomach thinking about living like that and expect to be happy.Not including the over mass influx of people and illegal's in this area growing and bursting at the seams.The gross traffic.<<<

I am so sorry that you have to live this way and feel this way. Is there any way that you can get out to the suburbs, or even the exburbs? I live out in the country, with some land, and my life is nothing like that, no traffic, no crime, and no illegals. I hope that you can find a similar place that brings you some peace and comfort.
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