What can be done to improve Gary? (Brazil: renters, unemployment)
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To save my hometown will mean any over climate adjustment in Indiana. That will never happen. Indiana does the least for people of color and since Gary is populate by mostly people of color... no money will be spent to improve their quality of life.
Do not respond to my post unless you can document to me and explain
why
carmel schols are better than gary schools
(only 1 elementary school in gary can compete)
Did you mean this as a serious question?
Percent of populace with a college degree:
- Gary - 10%
- Carmel - 58%
Graduate degree
- Gary - 4%
- Carmel - 23%
Percent married
- Gary - 34%
- Carmel - 70.1%
Murders in 5-years
- Carmel - 1
- Gary - 329
So Carmel has married, better-educated families with far more professional experience and astronomically lower crime rates. It appears far more full of people who actually take care of their belongings and value education.
It's not time for Indiana to do better for people of color. It's up for people of color to empower themselves and do better for themselves. What's the state going to do? Bribe people to not have children until they married? Get an education (they already do that)?
I'm looking specifically at the percent married. Only 13% of the people in Gary are divorced. You're looking at way too many single mothers in that populace.
Percent of populace with a college degree:
- Gary - 10%
- Carmel - 58%
Graduate degree
- Gary - 4%
- Carmel - 23%
Percent married
- Gary - 34%
- Carmel - 70.1%
Murders in 5-years
- Carmel - 1
- Gary - 329
So Carmel has married, better-educated families with far more professional experience and astronomically lower crime rates. It appears far more full of people who actually take care of their belongings and value education.
It's not time for Indiana to do better for people of color. It's up for people of color to empower themselves and do better for themselves. What's the state going to do? Bribe people to not have children until they married? Get an education (they already do that)?
I'm looking specifically at the percent married. Only 13% of the people in Gary are divorced. You're looking at way too many single mothers in that populace.
The problem is the people of Gary dont want to help themselves. They want someone else to help them! Theyre entitled dont you know?
Gary is remarkable. You don't hear much about it nowadays. But it was 150,000 in population, which made it the second largest city in the Chicago region. It was in the same size range as Flint (196,000 at peak) and Youngstown (170,000 at peak). Yet these places seem to get more press than Gary does.
It should be noted that Youngstown lost ALL its steel industry. Gary still has a major steel plant in operation (that has lost workers, but is still paying taxes and providing employment). So its not quite in the same dire situation, economically.
What really killed Gary was white flight. Racial animosity there must have been particularly bad becuase white flight was so total. I recall reading that when Hatcher became mayor the white area of town, the neighborhoods along Broadway south of the Calumet river and interstate (Glen Park?) actually wanted to secede from the city and form its own suburb.
This didnt happen and instead the whites left town. Not just the people but all the businessess, too, including things that might have stayed downtown like banks, etc.
So a "New Gary" was built south of the old (and now majority black) city, along I-65 @ the US 30 interchange. Drive past there on I-65 and you can see the little high-rises for banks and other office uses, hospitals, the mall (replacing the downtown shopping), subdivisions, and churches with their funny domes (indicating the white ethnics who used to live in Gary moved out, too, and created new church congregations to replace the ones in the city).
And the blacks were left with the old city. And that probably has something to do with why Gary is in the state its in.
I don't think you can say this is totally because of de-industrialization, because these shifts were happening in Gary while the steel industry was still economically sucessful and still a big employer (late 1960s and early to mid 1970s)
I don't think you can say this is totally because of de-industrialization, because these shifts were happening in Gary while the steel industry was still economically sucessful and still a big employer (late 1960s and early to mid 1970s)
Exactly. And if I recall correctly, Indiana's steel production reached its peak in 1993, long after the decline of Gary. No, the employment levels weren't the same in 1993 as, say, 1953, but that's due to increases in productivity. And even today, Indiana remains a leading steel-producing state.
Its easier for the "media" to place the blame for Gary's problems on the evil steel industry instead.
Does anyone know anything about attending Indiana University Northwest? I was thinking of appying there since the program I want is only offered there; but after hearing about Gary in general Im having huge second thoughts.
Does anyone know anything about attending Indiana University Northwest? I was thinking of appying there since the program I want is only offered there; but after hearing about Gary in general Im having huge second thoughts.
Although the school itself is located in Gary, there are plenty (most) of students that commute there from outside of Gary. I wouldn't let the fact that the school is in Gary keep you from applying there. What I would recommend is that you try to schedule day classes if possible. And definitely don't leave the campus itself when you're there. As long as you drive to the campus, go to your class, stay on campus, and leave when you're done, you should be fine. The campus is also right off the expressway, so it's not like you'll be driving for miles through really bad parts of Gary to get to/from campus. But I can't help but wonder, are you not from Northwest Indiana? Your post makes it sound like you're not, or were not, familiar with Gary. Basically everyone who is from around here is very familiar with it and knows how rough of a place it is. I know that the majority of IUN students are from Lake and Porter Counties close by, so it's interesting to me that you may not be.
The problem is the people of Gary dont want to help themselves. They want someone else to help them! Theyre entitled dont you know?
Is that the only thing you can come up with? I'm pretty sure most people in Gary are trying to help themselves. They can't help it if they live in a city with nearly 100K people and very little jobs to go around.
You are underestimating the number of working-class folks who still resides in Gary. I have a few co-workers (both of them are married) who live in Gary and they make at least 30 to 40K a year. I've even met a doctor and a few professionals who surprisingly lives in Gary near Methodist Hospital and not Miller. The problem with Gary has nothing to do with people not wanting to help themselves. Those people are actually fewer than you think. The problems with Gary are more centered around Jobs, in which the city has very few of them to go around. It was a once an industry town, who muscled out any other industry from coming into the city and taking its workers. They later layed off thousands of workers
Secondly, Gary and NWI has a serious problem with race, class and segregation. Its no coincidence that most whites, middle-class folks and businesses fled the city immediately after Mayor Hatcher took office. This led to a lack of investment and poor policy and decision-making practices. Then there is the murder capital stigma. In most cases, the lack of good paying jobs toppled with hyper-segregation usually increases criminal activity.
Gladly, it appears as though Gary is getting its act together and Gary as well as other NWI municipalities are finally realizing the city's importance in the revitalization process--at least on paper. They have a very extension comprehensive plan that lays out how they will revitalize the city. So its not like people are just sitting around waiting on their welfare checks to arrive in the mail. Its not as easy being poor in Gary, Indiana for goodness sakes. Just because people some people are poor and undereducated doesn't mean that they don't want to see their city rise.
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