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Im always baffled with people and will never understand the logic or the thinking process of moving to a new city or state and wantting to make it like the city or state someone came from? Im at a loss, it just doesn't compute. If the local ideals from that city or state worked, wouldnt you think it would be paradise then? Why move then?
Having watched this happen in a number of places, the answer is clear.
The direction of "change-it" migration is always from places where the cost of living it higher and where the power structure is established, to places where the immigrants can buy or lie their way into power. Once there, they try to change the environment into the one that they can manipulate while the locals are still trying to understand it.
You see that in the 1800s in Hawai'i. If the kings had limited the immigrants' power, Hawai'i would still be a monarchy. Sometimes I really wish that I could send 100 AR-15s, 10,000 rounds of ammo and a dozen Dillon reloading presses back in time to Kalakaua.
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You asked "whats wrong with Santa Monica?" I would ask you whats wrong with Oahu, Hawai'i?
This question should be asked more often and by more people.
You asked "whats wrong with Santa Monica?" I would ask you whats wrong with Oahu, Hawai'i?
Besides traffic and no Saks - nothing really. Although, I'd kind of like satellite radio - a casino would be kind of nice now that I think about it, those 6 hour flights to Vegas are a pain - wish we had Comcast over Oceanic - actually the biggest problem with Oahu is no real good Mexican restaurants.
Besides traffic and no Saks - nothing really. Although, I'd kind of like satellite radio - a casino would be kind of nice now that I think about it, those 6 hour flights to Vegas are a pain - wish we had Comcast over Oceanic - actually the biggest problem with Oahu is no real good Mexican restaurants.
Without hijacking the thread too much, why isn't Satellite Radio available (I have a feeling this may be a stupid question - but what the hay)?
Also, I agree the Mexican food choices are sorely lacking; but I'll definitely be visiting the few that are there when I'm on island.
Without hijacking the thread too much, why isn't Satellite Radio available (I have a feeling this may be a stupid question - but what the hay)?
The satellite used by Sirius simply doesn't point towards Hawaii.
Although I should clarify - you can get satellite radio via the internet - and you can technically get it for your car with a couple of hoops, if you have an iphone, you can download the app, and if your car has bluetooth, then it should work. But if you have an Sirius receiver in your car it won't work - you'll just get the "searching" message while it looks for the satellite.
The satellite used by Sirius simply doesn't point towards Hawaii.
Although I should clarify - you can get satellite radio via the internet - and you can technically get it for your car with a couple of hoops, if you have an iphone, you can download the app, and if your car has bluetooth, then it should work. But if you have an Sirius receiver in your car it won't work - you'll just get the "searching" message while it looks for the satellite.
Mahalo! I hoped things would have changed since I was last there in 2011.
On an earlier post you said The new development will certainly boost the local economy and provide more jobs and the above post.
Just to keep it simple which is what most real residents of Hawaii want. 40 years of paving paradise and building skyrises and bringing in big business and Hawai'i is more expensive now then she has ever been in history. Hawai'i has more homeless now then anytime in her young history. She hasnt been more crowded in history then now. While tourism has had the biggest boom in history and with it profits it appears that the non tourist residents are the ones paying for it.
My point being, this ideal of paving paradise, making Hawai'i the mainland isnt working for all the residents of Hawaii. Current stats show this. Then why continue? Instead of more paving or building up maybe a change in thinking is in order?
Regarding development of Hawaii and the International Marketplace specifically, it is the Queen Emma Land Co that owns the land under the International Marketplace. The IMP is being torn down because the Queen Emma Land Co has chosen to remove it and negotiated with the new developers to build something new.
So this could not have happened by outside sources. Money raised through Queen Emma's lands is then used for the Queens hospital to benefit the people of the state.
I agree that I don't want to see the island paved. But sometimes it is locals making the changes happen and there is benefit to other locals. In this case, through the hospital.
Regarding development of Hawaii and the International Marketplace specifically, it is the Queen Emma Land Co that owns the land under the International Marketplace. The IMP is being torn down because the Queen Emma Land Co has chosen to remove it and negotiated with the new developers to build something new.
So this could not have happened by outside sources. Money raised through Queen Emma's lands is then used for the Queens hospital to benefit the people of the state.
I agree that I don't want to see the island paved. But sometimes it is locals making the changes happen and there is benefit to other locals. In this case, through the hospital.
Hmmmmm..... Maybe we need to get rid of the locals so we can have our International Market Place!
Hmmmmm..... Maybe we need to get rid of the locals so we can have our International Market Place!
Actually, we just need to get rid of unimaginative developers from the continental United States.
Michigan-based Taubman Centers paid $87.2 million to the Queen Emma Land Company for a 65-year lease and Saks Fifth Avenue signed a separate lease with the Queen Emma Land Company for another $4.3 million. As they say, "cash talks and kitsch walks."
^^^^You said it Jonah. I personally believe that developing is essential for growth and its not bad. We all know that the I.M.P was a tourist trap, and it by itself isnt a big deal. The alarming thing about losing the I.M.P is that, it was one place of a few left from a time that made Oahu unique.
Any action gone to extremes is damaging. In my opinion this recent development push in the last decade has gone way to far. A reasonable person who has the best in mind for everyone would understand balance between developing and maintaining things that made that local area unique. I.M.P by itself isnt big, but closing it coupled with the teardown, closing of 95% of all the places in Oahu that made her unique for the last 30years hurts bad. One day we will all wake up and ask the question " Is living in Hawai'i worth the cost when the only thing unique about her from the mainland will be the weather".
Yes , Fatties Chinese Kitchen is gone. I liked that place mostly for the ambience of sitting around the counter and watching your food prepared. I liked the fact you could buy fat greasy fried jumbo prawns and sweet and sour sauce from the little side area. The better food was sititng around the counter however... This was no fancy place, so don't think Benhana! lol
I think I lament the old Intl Marketplace of my childhood when you could buy little coconut shell purses and wtch something more authentic, but really, I was last there about 4 months ago when I was on the hunt for some sunglasses (someone on some message board say I could fiind some cheapies there and I didn't like the ones I found at Walmart). I almost had a panic attack in that place. I thought I was in some souk in Algiers and all I remember seeing was stall after stall of backpacks, cheap vinyl purses with Honu motifs, cheap beaded necklaces stall after stall. To each his own though. It just was some "destination" of thousands of tourists. Nothign in the food court was anything Hawaii related. I really don't think locals go there at all. (Locals meaning those born and raised here, not having moved here fro the mainland a few years ago). My friend however, would go every once in a while as her son was in some music group that entertained the tourists.
Why don't they just move all those vendors to that big parking lot off Kuhio across from the the Hyatt?
I really do not think you can blame mainland developers for any change in Hawaii. People born and raised here are not missing living in coconut houses, they want modern technology and modern conveniences and shopping just like anywhere else. If you knew how many people I know born and raised here who are clammoring for an Olive Garden Restaurant and Trader Joes! I realize the Saks is going to be geared to a touristt shopping experience, it simply makes sense (to them) to tap into the up and coming Asian market that is booming (not just japanese but korean and chinese), but like any city, Honolulu changes and is not the same as it was 10/25/50 years ago.
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