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Old 03-18-2015, 08:00 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Edwards v. California gives some insight on the legal implications of attempts to keep citizens from other states from moving to your state.
Don't disagree the ideal of closing the borders of Hawaii to further growth is unamerican in thought and possibly unconstitutional in mainland terms. What i got a chuckle about was George Ariyoshi govener of hawai (1974 - 1986) instructed his representative in congress to approach congress and ask that growth be limitted in Hawaii and close the borders as a possible solution. One congressman from the midwest said "You can't do that its unamerican" the Hawaii representative said "You sir don't know what its like to live on an island" Which is true. The ideal of solutions from a continental point of view just doesn't work in an island.

Further what is even more eye opening is the Governer on representing the wishes of his people would request congress to do this. This tells you what people of the state of hawaii

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Old 03-18-2015, 08:08 AM
 
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At the time truly felt about the mass growth in that time period. This is why i chuckle about the pro mass growth agenda that some have on here because the issues haven't changed on Hawaii just the times have. Who is listening? Mahalo for your imput.
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Old 03-18-2015, 08:17 AM
 
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I'm not from Hawaii and have only had the chance to visit. I find it interesting that Honolulu metro continues to expand outwards through sprawl, rather than up. Traffic is notorious, while infrastructure is mediocre & outdated. It's disappointing that Oaha sprawls given the higher maintenance costs of subsidizing sprawl and the endless ecological/environmental effects it has on such a beautiful island. In my opinion, locals really need to encourage an urban growth boundary before all the land is eaten up. Also, the building height limit seems archaic given the astronomical housing prices and limited land.

What are local opinions regarding increasing the height limits? Hong Kong only limits heights so that they do not block the mountain views...
I mentioned this before that the building height limits was put into place to protect oahus landscape and gorgeous iconic view. The height limit was one of few measures in place to protect a way of life for a people. Mahalo.
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Old 03-18-2015, 09:38 AM
 
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Don't disagree the ideal of closing the borders of Hawaii to further growth is unamerican in thought and possibly unconstitutional in mainland terms. What i got a chuckle about was George Ariyoshi govener of hawai (1974 - 1986) instructed his representative in congress to approach congress and ask that growth be limitted in Hawaii and close the borders as a possible solution. One congressman from the midwest said "You can't do that its unamerican" the Hawaii representative said "You sir don't know what its like to live on an island" Which is true. The ideal of solutions from a continental point of view just doesn't work in an island.

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At the time truly felt about the mass growth in that time period. This is why i chuckle about the pro mass growth agenda that some have on here because the issues haven't changed on Hawaii just the times have. Who is listening? Mahalo for your imput.
Well that is just an unfortunate consequence of becoming a state (I realize that becoming a state was not necessarily the desires of Hawaiian natives as much as it was more recent immigrants). When you become a state, every other states' citizens gets an equal right to buy and live there. The history of Hawaii is often raised when the people of Puerto Rico discuss their options for their future (Although as a territory US citizens can freely travel or move there).
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Old 03-18-2015, 11:55 AM
 
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It's rapidly becoming something like Singapore, a small island with too many people. Outrageous single family home prices. Everyone else stacked into high rises.
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Old 03-18-2015, 12:23 PM
 
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I highly disagree - it would be a much more stunning skyline and be a great game changer for Hawaii.

The height limits are going to change - it is only a matter of time. The island is running out of space and building up is the only alternative.

I know this as a personal fact - the only thing holding back tourism in Hawaii is lack of hotel space - that is why rates are going so much higher - at some point, there will be another building boom of hotels with the increased room rates.
Building higher means much higher per square foot construction cost. Of course those living on the top floors will pay a massive premium for those units ($2,000-$3,000 per square foot); developers are salivating to build tall. There will always be huge public dissension to breaking current 400 ft height limits. It is not fair for residents/visitors to deal with massive monstrosities that disrupt public view planes (which make Hawaii iconic and beautiful) when the only beneficiaries are developers, land owners and private condo owners at the top floors. At the very least, if the city/state can't figure out a way to have those monies (i.e. insane profits) trickle down and directly benefit the public sector, the current laws should NOT be broken.

LUO/zoning laws/height limits can only be changed if they greatly benefit the public. Saying these ultra-high rise buildings will benefit the general public is laughable at best.
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Old 03-18-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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There is something called blind patriotism. No argument from me about the ideal of statehood. But the issue isnt just people don't want growth in Hawaii. Oahu has a growth rate that is unsustainable. Even if we built up we are forgetting that the infrastructure cant substain the gowth over time. Within our grandkids’ lifetimes, Hawaii’s fresh water supply will likely not be able*to handle*the water demands of Hawaii’s increasing population due to decreasing aquifer levels. The population of the State of Hawaii will continue to grow into the future placing greater demands on the state’s freshwater supplies.* The population of city and county of Honolulu will increase from about 876,000 (in 2000) to about 1,117,000 in 2030.

Further the change in weather paterns in Hawaii is also an issue as some have noticed that its getting warmer. Some have noticed the loss of the tradewinds. The change in climite since 1978 can have an effect on water levels and resupply. A change in thinking will have to
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Old 03-18-2015, 12:32 PM
 
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happen to find a solution to future issues. Fresh water supply is just one of many issues.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:15 PM
 
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happen to find a solution to future issues. Fresh water supply is just one of many issues.
Water will be insanely expensive on Oahu in 20-30 years. At least 10X the cost it is today. Once our aquifers become inadequate (which they are already showing signs of today) to support our growing population, we will have to adopt new technology to produce fresh water. This will instantly increase water rates and will do so sharply as more and more fresh water supplied needs to be created artificially vs pulling it straight out of the ground.
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Old 03-18-2015, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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LUO/zoning laws/height limits can only be changed if they greatly benefit the public. Saying these ultra-high rise buildings will benefit the general public is laughable at best.
Not true at all - build high in the urban core and as another poster stated, stop the low-rise sprawl. It looks ridiculous when you head to Ewa Beach, Pearl City, Kapolei, even Kaimuki - and it is just sprawl, sprawl, sprawl - the benefits to the public of building up in the urban core include walkable neighborhoods (think Manhattan, San Francisco, Singapore, Hong Kong, Chicago, Vancouver), reduced traffic, more community.

Sprawl takes up valuable open real estate, makes you car dependent, uses more energy, requires more roads, sewers, infrastructure. The definition of urban sprawl is separating people from where work, shop, do recreation, etc - to rely on automobiles. Oahu is especially susceptible to sprawl as you only have 2 main work areas - downtown and Waikiki, and to a much lesser extent, between those areas, and even less, Kapolei. So as you sprawl out, the problem just gets worse.

I don't know anyone who drives thru Ewa Beach and says, wow - what a good looking community - it is thousands of low-rise townhouses taking up a lot of room, requires cars, and that type of planning didn't do anyone a favor with that kind of planning.
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