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Old 01-13-2014, 02:36 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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@jzrobles

Your right to a point, The problem is in Hawaii the high poverty level is felt by the longtime locals and Native Hawai'ians. I hear that Honolulu has a high median income? Like that means anything? Even with the high median income the following is true.

AVERAGE RENT*

MEAN AVERAGE WAGE

INCOME NEEDED

Hawaii (Big Island)

$1,044

$10.79

$20.08/hour or $41,760/year

Honolulu (Oahu)

$1,833

$14.12

$35.25/hour or $73,320/year

Kauai

$1,685

$12.55

$32.40/hour or $67,400/year

Maui (includes Molokai and Lanai)

$1,315

$13.04

$25.29/hour or $52,600/year

State

$1,671

$13.56

$32.14/hour or $66,853/year

Further, the hr wage would be to equal cost of living on each island.

Dont take my word that the poverty level hits locals and Native Hawai'ians more, Let the stats show truth.

Ran out of room to type next post to continue please.
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Old 01-13-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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Continued from above.

A 2004 study reported that 40 percent of Hawaii's homeless had lived in the state their entire life. More than half were lifetime residents or people who lived in Hawaii a minimum of 20 years. Only 3.3 percent of the homeless had lived in Hawaii for one year or less, while 37 percent of the total homeless population identified themselves as Hawaiian or part-Hawaiian.

I think its difficult to believe that anything is wrong when yourself and the circle of friends or ohana dont experience these issues. Its easy to develop a form of denial.
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Old 01-13-2014, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Percentage of people in poverty -

Portland, Oregon 20.3%

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/pov...nd-Oregon.html

Honolulu, Hawaii 14.2%

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/pov...lu-Hawaii.html

The facts shall set you free.
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Old 01-13-2014, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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Since everyone pretty much shares their living accommodations, you can figure out how many folks you'll need to live with in order to get by in Hawaii.

Consolidate two incomes on the Big Island and you'd have an extra of $1.50 per hour above and beyond the average rent. (Although this doesn't address the rest of the things you'd want such as food and clothing, etc.)

Honolulu, with two incomes, you're still short by $7 per hour so you'll need more than two folks sharing rent.

Maui numbers are meaningless since they factored in Lanai & Molokai and there's not enough similarity between those areas to make the numbers valid.
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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Percentage of people in poverty -

Portland, Oregon 20.3%

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/pov...nd-Oregon.html

Honolulu, Hawaii 14.2%

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/pov...lu-Hawaii.html

The facts shall set you free.
Compairing Honolulu to Portland is like compairing the Pearl District to lower S.E. Portland. Everyone knows that Honolulu is for higher income class people vs average income of other islands, areas and portland.

To further my point

In 2010 The City and County of Honolulu served 9,781 homeless clients. Where Multnomath county served 4,832 homeless. Further the states with the highest concentrations of homeless people were Oregon (0.54 percent of the state’s population), Nevada (0.48 percent), Hawaii (0.47 percent, or 6,061 homeless people) and California (0.43 percent). To argue Hawai'i is an isolated state unlike portland or oregon that gets half if not more of our homeless. Cont next post.
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:06 PM
 
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From others cities and states because of our great services, no anti homeless laws, personal safety easier, Mild weather.
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:12 PM
 
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Since everyone pretty much shares their living accommodations, you can figure out how many folks you'll need to live with in order to get by in Hawaii.

Consolidate two incomes on the Big Island and you'd have an extra of $1.50 per hour above and beyond the average rent. (Although this doesn't address the rest of the things you'd want such as food and clothing, etc.)

Honolulu, with two incomes, you're still short by $7 per hour so you'll need more than two folks sharing rent.

Maui numbers are meaningless since they factored in Lanai & Molokai and there's not enough similarity between those areas to make the numbers valid.
Mahalo hotzcatz, good to know im not Pupule.
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Compairing Honolulu to Portland is like compairing the Pearl District to lower S.E. Portland. Everyone knows that Honolulu is for higher income class people vs average income of other islands, areas and portland.
You make this very easy sometimes and it isn't very challenging - residents below poverty level, part 2. See if you lived here, you'd know the poverty rate isn't as large as the bulk of the United States.

Honolulu: 14.2%
Whole State: 13.7%

San Francisco: 15.2%

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/pov...alifornia.html

Los Angeles: 25.9%

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/pov...alifornia.html

Chicago: 27.5%

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/pov...-Illinois.html

Austin: 23.6%

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/pov...tin-Texas.html

Boston: 21.1%

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/pov...achusetts.html
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Old 01-13-2014, 04:18 PM
 
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@viper

And if you live in Hawai'i, you would know that the poverty level is high for locals and Native Hawai'ians, not mainlanders like you.

Which poverty level on locals and Native Hawai'ians was the original point that i commentted on.

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Old 01-13-2014, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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And if you live in Hawai'i, you would know that the poverty level is high for locals and Native Hawai'ians
Poverty rate for Native Hawaiians: 21.5%

Comparable to - hmmm, Portland, Oregon at 20.3%

UCLA AASC: 2013 Statistical Portrait of Asian Americans, Native Hawaiians, and Other Pacific Islanders
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