Sorry, found Ohio not so appealing... (Cleveland, Toledo: waterpark, hotel, YMCA)

[bneal_1580]

Originally Posted by paintballer1708

I think people just need to do a little research on places to visit for "outdoor" things to do in Ohio. Believe it or not there are a lot of things to do. Cuyahoga Nat'l Park for instance. One of the nation's busiest and most visited national parks. On average it has an attendance of about 3 million annually. SE Ohio is very sparsely populated compared to the rest of the state, but has some great nat'l forests and some great areas to go hiking and camping out. NE Ohio has a lot of large lakes for boating and fishing, and just a nice summer getaway. You dont just have to go to Lake Erie. Like HAS mentioned, the Kelly Islands are a great escape as well. You can either fly out on a small plane, or do as most and take a ferry out. There are about 5 islands and there are some amazing beaches out there. Many people have summer houses out there, and keep their boats, jet skies, etc there. Its also not far from Cedar Point. That whole area is booming in the summer time.

I remember just south of Youngstown there is this great park called Beaver Creek State Park. This place is amazing. It has huge creeks and small rivers, and great camping grounds. There are miles of forest and hiking trails to go along with it. SW Ohio has lots of beauty as well. The gently rolling hills here offer many parks and getaways from the city life. You just have to do some research on parks or outdoor things to do in Ohio. I know some people from Michigan and Pennsylvania that make the trips to Ohio in the spring and summer to start their vacations. Just do some research, you will be suprised what you find.

I notice you hardly named anything to do around Toledo...mostly all in the other parts of the state.

[architect2781]

Wow, you are really picky if some of the things you have to complain about are "pop" & "sweepers". I live in Mass where no one knows how to say anything correctly, and it doesn't bother me enough to post. I agree about a few things, one having to drive everywhere....that is a big issue, but I think that problem is true with any city outside of the main buisness district. If you think you are going to be walking around a lot in Arizona, you may wanna think that one over again. Last year my work transfered me to MD and VA for about three months and I was bored out of my mind. People of that region I think are equally friendly to each other as they are in Ohio, but really didn't show any sense of community. Everyone I worked with drove to work, didn't say a word to each other, then drove home. Not to mention the night life was a joke. The second, about the economy, can't argue at all with that.

Can't say I blame you much for leaving NE Ohio, but making it sound like the worst place in the country.....not even close.

Hopefully your move works out.

[OneWayOut]

Originally Posted by architect2781

Wow, you are really picky if some of the things you have to complain about are "pop" & "sweepers". I live in Mass where no one knows how to say anything correctly, and it doesn't bother me enough to post. I agree about a few things, one having to drive everywhere....that is a big issue, but I think that problem is true with any city outside of the main buisness district. If you think you are going to be walking around a lot in Arizona, you may wanna think that one over again. Last year my work transfered me to MD and VA for about three months and I was bored out of my mind. People of that region I think are equally friendly to each other as they are in Ohio, but really didn't show any sense of community. Everyone I worked with drove to work, didn't say a word to each other, then drove home. Not to mention the night life was a joke. The second, about the economy, can't argue at all with that.

Can't say I blame you much for leaving NE Ohio, but making it sound like the worst place in the country.....not even close.

Hopefully your move works out.

Ha, I was not really that concerned about "pop" and "sweeper"...It was just part of the rant, and something I was not used to. I am back to "soda" country now== just for the record, but I am sure there are people here that say "pop". I have not heard the "sweeper vs vacuum" thing yet...

Phoenix is a very spread out place too, and that does not bother me that much, (nor did it in OH), but it does make things more difficult. But as far as Phoenix is concerned, having to drive is a small price to pay for all the other good things I have found here.

Ohio is not the worst place in the country, but I would say from my experience at least Toledo is a very undesirable place to live. Its in NW Ohio, not NE. Like I have said, there are nice places in Ohio, I just chose not to live in any of them, just move across the country.

[buckeyeborn]

This is in response to the person living in Toledo that is very unhappy with OHIO. I am very proud of the fact that I grew up in Ohio. Not all of Ohio is like Toledo. There are rolling hills and a lot of lakes and parks to enjoy. Winter weather is a fact of life when you live near the Great Lakes so DEAL WITH IT.
Toledo is not the only locale that has people driving old Camaros to the trailer park to see girlfriends and teen preganancy is not exclusive to the area. Get a grip on life and GROW UP!

[FarmAnimal]

..... usually accomplishes very little. I suspect that this is someone who is constantly searching for something for something from their youth and won't find happiness or joy anywhere they are. Not even where they we in their youth because nothing stays the same. Inditing 11,400,000 people of being sub-standard doesn't say much for the person making the wild claims that everyone in Ohio fits nicely into their view of the state from one little corner. Ohio, like most other enclaves around the world, have both wonderful and gentle people as well as people that are boorish and rude. A community is more about who you are and not who the other people in that community are. It's not the fault of the local people that a house didn't sell. It's probably more of a matter of over-pricing or cars on blocks in the back yard. I'm a Keystoner by by birth, but have been an Ohio farmer most of my life. I have been blessed by knowing many many kind and wonderful Ohioans and find hunting in Southeastern Ohio, hiking in Old Man's Cave, sailing to the islands of Lake Erie, The football hall of Fame, The Air Force Museum, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, out world famous amusement parks, and enough other places to keep me entertained.

Bottom line: If you can't find it in Ohio you can't find it anywhere. It's probably going to take a trip of introspection to find out why you hate us so much. The fact that you weren't flammed too badly by fellow Ohioans says a lot about the people that make up our great state.

[Steve from Toledo]

And in the last few years have done a decent amount of traveling, also lived in Indianapolis and Boston.

For what it's worth, I must say I honestly have to tell you that Toledo really sucks. Anyone who says Toledo is developing like other big cities...is wrong. Any sort of development happening is happening in Maumee or Perrysburg, etc. Which still isn't much. Toledo is too lazy to want to drive "all the way" to Maumee to do stuff anyway. So that doesn't help really. Downtown Toledo is ridiculous. Nobody really has pride in our basketball team. Have you seen where they play hockey? It looks like a dump. Toledo yells "you suck" when the opposing team hits the ice. And you think Toledoans aren't rude? They are! And yes a lot of people say yep instead of you're welcome.

Rude, cliquey, and fake are all easily describable of people in this area. Men's Health rated the biggest cities in the country in an article once, giving Detroit and Cleveland an overall F. Few others even got an F. If Toledo was even worthy enough to be on the list, I'm sure it would have gotten one as well, being between the two cities and equally as rundown. Rarely do any major bands or performers stop in this city. We are the armpit of the Great Lakes region.

The transportation system is a joke. The mayor once told deaf people to live near the airport and almost got in a fist fight once, yet we re-elected him four years later. We're losing population. It's interesting that some people still think Toledo has 350,000 people. I wonder if we ever really did. We had 332,000 in 1990 and are almost under 300K. We probably are by now. Not to mention, that of states with over 5 million people, Ohio is the state that government census estimates will have the least total population increase through the year 2030.

Mosquitoes are bad, lady bugs are bad. They just cut down my trees because of ashborers. Mayflies are shoveled off the street in Point Place(Toledo neighborhood) during summertime. Teen pregnancy is very high. I just got back from Boston two months ago, and over half of the women in their teens that I haven't seen in two years are pregnant or already have kids. The only decent arcade we had was in the mall, which closed years ago. I would suggest Ann Arbor as a much better equivalent to this dying town.

Nothing stays open much past 10 o clock. I work at one of I think two 24 hour restaurants within ten miles of itself. Hardly any gas stations are even 24 hours anymore. A bunch are closing and now shutting down their 24 operations. Dropout rates are higher. Truancy and skipping school is up. Yes the accent is a mix between KY and MI. Cedar Point is about the best thing in the area, note that this is an hour away in Sandusky.

Anyone who stays here in this city is either old and retired with nowhere else to go, or young without enough money to move. Or maybe you don't wanna leave your family because you were so bored with this **** ass town that you started your family when you were a teenager and now you can't leave.

I dare anyone to support this town. Someone list good things about this city. Try it. And don't come at me with **** from Cleveland or Cincy, or CBus, etc.

Oh yeah and I do agree that most of Pennsylvania is WAY more hick than Toledo. Trust me on that one. And yes Michigan is much worse. Economy, roads, etc.

[ingvar]

Originally Posted by OneWayOut

Ohio is not the worst place in the country, but I would say from my experience at least Toledo is a very undesirable place to live. Its in NW Ohio, not NE. Like I have said, there are nice places in Ohio, I just chose not to live in any of them, just move across the country.

OneWayOut,
I think Ohio is a challenge. It is about the winner or loser.
Ohio is for people like Wexner, who created the fashion empire here, far from moda centers. He is winner, but you are loser.
Good luck to you.
I think Columbus is one of the best cities in the world for accomplishment of great things.

[excaderesdesire]

hmmm $225,000. in the slums of Hollywood, been there btw Ive never saw any slum in the Hollywood area of California. I lived in Los Angeles for a year (2002 to 2003) now there are plenty slum areas there. While I was living in LA I had the opportunity to look at alot of realestate my BF was looking for a house to buy.
I grew up in the midwest, had lots of relatives from Ky, so I have to agree with your more for the money comment, when you bought your house. But the value of houses in the midwest even during the the big boom climbed in market value at the pace of a snail compared to California markets in Real Estate. I lived in the midwest for over 40 yrs, I watched the realestate market for many years in hopes that I might one day afford to buy a house, so I know what you can buy in the midwest I have to agree.
But... During the 20 yrs I watched the market where I was planning on buying a home, a $70,000.00 property only went up in market value 10 - 20 grand in 20 yrs. This doesn't say much for the midwest now does it?
The properties I looked at while living in Los Angeles, CA. ( We didn't look restrict our search either btw, we even checked the more Southern parts.) I was astounded at the prices for what you find there, and what you get for the almighty dollar. If you are lucky you might find a property with a postage stamp sized yard. (ha ha ha, atleast this is what the yards looked like to me compared to where I am from.) For the most part, the houses are built hanging off of cliffs sides, on top of one another, most are less than 10 ft. away from the next home. (Which is why when they fumigate a home for pests they cover the home with a tent .) I was like wow WTH is that? Anyway... some do not have indoor kitchens they are on porches. Ca. will definately open your eyes for someone who has never lived there. The smog, pollution, over populated, 2-3 hrs on the highway just to travel to a 20 minute driving distance in the midwest. I wouldn't want to live there again if you paid me too. But if your friend still owns that home he bought back in 1998, that $225,000 he invested,even if its a slum is probably worth closer to 1 mil right now. How much is that property you bought in KY worth right now?
Even though the market has crashed the values there in Cali, continue to rise in prices every year because of the high demand for those who decide to relocate there. Even at the pace of a snail out there the realestate values tend to rise quickly there, compared to the measely 20 grand you will make in 10 to 20 yrs. Home values in California go up in value atleast20 grand and then some in one yr. (Knows first hand, because my Bf has his a brokers liscense in Cali, and works in the banking industry.)

[excaderesdesire]

(Ha ha ha) What a pet peeve. You have been ranting about onewayout's making fun of the way Ohioans speak, with every reply, "donato". It doesnt take half a brain to realize that, ones figurative way of speaking has alot to do with the region and culture of the people settling in an area.
You need to seek anger management or something, perhaps the lack of IQ is showing? "Onewayout" was not pointing their finger at you, (ha ha ha) take a chill pill, man. If I based my self worth over what someone elses oppinion was about me, I'd never walk out my front door.
One of my favorite hobbies is family research. (genealogy) Most of my father's family settled in KY. His family was german descent and been in this country for well over 8 generations. My point is...slang terms are usually adapted, by the cultures and linguistics of those using these terms. As more and more people grow accustomed to the use of these terms those who are friends and family pass them along from the familiarity of their usage. So getting your shorts all in a bunch because of onewayout's way of reference, shows your lack of immaturity and your lack of poor anger management.
Just because a person finds another person's form of speach, or slang usage, a bit weird, or unusual doesnt mean they are making fun of the way another person for the way they talk.
Someone commented about how coca cola being invented by a pharmacist, and originally contained cocain, yes this is true, thus we have the old term used in the past, "Dope", which most of us have never heard, as well as the newer terms used today, "Soda Pop", "Soda", "Pop". Thanks to the street punks, and gangsta rappers we have adapted different slang meanings to some of these words. Again this can be attributed to the migration of of the many nationalities in this country.
When my family as well as most of the families that are living and have been in this country for many generations began settling in this country, from the northeastern part of the US. My family settled outside of New Amsterdamn, (later NY) and migrated from there to, Maryland, Pennsylvaina, through Ohio, to West Virginia, through the Cumberland Gap of the Smokey Mtns. to Kentucky, from there they moved and spread out all over this country.
You may say so, what is your point? I have heard all of these terms, Dope, Soda Pop, Soda, Pop, Sweeper and Vacume (uses both of these BTW)
You all, (the popular term used to identify every one in the room, or everyone you are speaking about, Crick for Creek, Feesh for Fish, I need to worsh my clothes so I got something clean to wear. The point is my father's family all settled in the south from the north eastern states. Verbage travels!!! My dads family all spoke weird to me compared to the people in the area I grew up around. I have adapted some of the same liguistics, as well as my children. My children even sound like they are from the south, how? they were surrounded by family members who had the strong southern background most of the people have there. Theyve heard their grandparents use the terms, their parents use the same terms, as they have also adapted this way of speech. Through familiar usage of it.... Sorry for ranting everyone , but I have a very low tolerance to bite my tongue when some one rants about such a mundane thing over and over. Like the old saying, It dont do you any good to kick a dead dog. He's not gonna get up no matter how many times you kick him.

[OneWayOut]

Originally Posted by Steve from Toledo

For what it's worth, I must say I honestly have to tell you that Toledo really sucks.

"steve from Toledo"-- you could not have said it better. You have to be a Toledoan to make those kind of statements. You are exactly right.

I want to clear something up for everyone. I know it has already been cleared up 50 or more posts ago, but no one feels like reading that far back, so... Again, I am not casting a sweeping generalization over the entire state of Ohio. It would not be reasonable to do so. Maybe I should have entitled this thread "Sorry, found Toledo not so appealing". Simply put, Ohio was not my cup of tea, especially Toledo. My main experience in Ohio involved Toledo, and as Steve from Toledo put it, it sucks. Sorry for being blunt, but I do not intend to offend anyone, nor put the blame for Toledos' plight on the entire state of Ohio. Please do not take it that way. I do not hate the entire state, nor any of you posters, as I do not have any reason to.

I am certainly not the type of person that is "unhappy wherever they go" as stated in a recent post. I enjoy my life to the fullest and do whatever it takes to make that possible. Before Ohio, I spent many years living in Maryland and enjoyed every minute of it. I moved to Ohio simply for a good job opportunity, nothing more. It did not work out here. I had a bad feeling from the beginning . Believe me, money is not everything. In the end I realized that not only a job that you enjoy is important, but the place that you live must be enjoyable too. To me that is more relevant than any place of employment, or any amount of money.

I have been here less than 2 months, but Arizona is everything I hoped it would be. There have been no major disappointments or bad feelings thus far like those I experienced in Toledo within the first few weeks of living there. It is also 1:45 am here and still 70 degrees, and just checking the weather, 4 degrees in Toledo. That makes me even more glad that I am not there tonight .