What's the biggest dump in Ohio? (Cincinnati, Toledo: crime rate, schools, place to live)

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Wrong. The OP asked which city has declined the most. East Cleveland never declined... it's always been a s-hole.

East Cleveland has definitely declined, equal to the worst of the worst such as Detroit and E St. Louis.

East Cleveland was once a very very wealthy and safe community, as a matter of fact the richest man who ever lived (John D. Rockefeller) once had a mansion there on Millionaires Row. Through, I believe, "Blockbusting" and "Redlining", East Cleveland went from majority white and wealthy to majority black and lower middle to lower class in less than 15 years around the 1960s. It then became an extension of the Eastside Cleveland slums and has been declining ever since. It's lost over half it's population since then. Definitely a huge decline in E Cleveland, probably the largest and most dramatic decline in Ohio.

[grmasterb]

Originally Posted by Caleb Longstreet

10) Dayton. Wow, here's a yawner. And now, NCR is coming South. And who can blame them? Beeeeelows beyond measure. Only thing up is crime....


6) Toledo. Home of the Mud Hens. And it only goes down from there. The kind of town where dealing crack is now a career opportunity with upward mobility......If you are relying on Jeep, you have already lost.....

I know my old hometown of Toledo is not the most inspiring or cosmopolitan place in the world, but worse than Dayton?? C'mon, man!

[mdmagana]

I do not live in Ohio, so I guess I'm speaking as a tourist. I used to think Youngstown and Warren were pretty bad... then I visited East Cleveland... I was scared... and that's coming form someone who grew-up near L.A. and has been all through Watts, Compton, south central, and skid row.

Tobe totally fair though, I thought the rest of Cleveland was great!

[5Lakes]

Originally Posted by BelieveInCleve

East Cleveland has definitely declined, equal to the worst of the worst such as Detroit and E St. Louis.

East Cleveland was once a very very wealthy and safe community, as a matter of fact the richest man who ever lived (John D. Rockefeller) once had a mansion there on Millionaires Row. Through, I believe, "Blockbusting" and "Redlining", East Cleveland went from majority white and wealthy to majority black and lower middle to lower class in less than 15 years around the 1960s. It then became an extension of the Eastside Cleveland slums and has been declining ever since. It's lost over half it's population since then. Definitely a huge decline in E Cleveland, probably the largest and most dramatic decline in Ohio.

I think that Cleveland's original slums were in the Central neighborhood and closer to the Cuyahoga. As time went on those slums were leveled and migrated to the east side.

My grandparents lived in Hough in the late 40's. I asked them to describe the demographics of the east side when they lived there and they gave me this as a breakdown.

Hough - middle class whites
North of Superior Ave. - "ethnic" whites
Glenville - jewish
East Cleveland - upper class whites
Cleveland Heights - upper class to wealthy whites and jews
Shaker Heights - wealthy whites
South of Carnegie - black.

[Flee to the Cleve]

Originally Posted by 5Lakes

Hough - middle class whites
North of Superior Ave. - "ethnic" whites
Glenville - jewish
East Cleveland - upper class whites
Cleveland Heights - upper class to wealthy whites and jews
Shaker Heights - wealthy whites
South of Carnegie - black.

Pretty cool... learned something new today. Did not know that Glenville was a Jewish neighborhood.

[5Lakes]

Originally Posted by Flee to the Cleve

Pretty cool... learned something new today. Did not know that Glenville was a Jewish neighborhood.

On E. 105th in Glenville I believe there are still a few buildings left over with Hebrew or Yiddish engraved in the stonework. At least that's what I have been told. That's probably not a street I would normally take a leisurely drive down LOL.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by 5Lakes

I think that Cleveland's original slums were in the Central neighborhood and closer to the Cuyahoga. As time went on those slums were leveled and migrated to the east side.

My grandparents lived in Hough in the late 40's. I asked them to describe the demographics of the east side when they lived there and they gave me this as a breakdown.

Hough - middle class whites
North of Superior Ave. - "ethnic" whites
Glenville - jewish
East Cleveland - upper class whites
Cleveland Heights - upper class to wealthy whites and jews
Shaker Heights - wealthy whites
South of Carnegie - black.

True, but I'm speaking of the 60s & 70s-On. Hough and Glenville we're already majority black by the 60s-70s.

I read that the original Cleveland slums we're right off the Cuyahoga River and moved East, and they were obviously much worse than todays "slums". I actually found an article a while back from the early 1900s that said Cleveland had the worst slums in the country at the time. As for the area south of Carnegie, specifically like Woodland and Kinsman, I don't think those were ever "good" or "wealthy" neighborhoods, and if they ever were it was a very long time ago. Central was pretty much always bad as well, it's one of the few areas where nearly the entire neighborhood ended up being demolished, and is now being built back up but again low income.

Originally Posted by 5Lakes

On E. 105th in Glenville I believe there are still a few buildings left over with Hebrew or Yiddish engraved in the stonework. At least that's what I have been told. That's probably not a street I would normally take a leisurely drive down LOL.

I think you're right about those buildings in Glenville, I heard there was a large Jewish community there pre-1970s, most likely some remainder left.

105th st is very ghetto but it's one of the most "lively" main streets going through the hood, there's a lot of activity since the neighborhood is still pretty dense and a lot of the buildings are still standing.

[acealive1]

toledo HANDS DOWN.

[Caleb Longstreet]

Originally Posted by grmasterb

I know my old hometown of Toledo is not the most inspiring or cosmopolitan place in the world, but worse than Dayton?? C'mon, man!

Ever since the two major employers...count em'.....2....downsized, yes but, then again, NCR is coming to Atlanta....again....probably take back their old campus in Suwanee too.....

No matter....hey, at least Toledo has Cedar Point's proximity going for it and no one can ever take that away from you.....who is worse? Who cares? The difference is a coin toss....

[nickolaseposter]

I don't think Toledo comes close to Dayton. There is a much higher quality of life in Dayton. Seriously. I'm sure Toledo has some great things, but Dayton has a much larger metro to begin with to support a better lifestyle. I'd like to see what you're saying is backing up toledo....the zoo? mud hens? coool. all local. that does not draw anyone from outside of a 100 miles radius bud. Not like Dayton's Air Force Museum, nightlife, or JOB OPPORTUNITIES.