Ohio No. 8 in GDP (Cleveland, Springfield: houses, live, move)

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by 5Lakes

Um, no way does that apply to Miami. Much of greater Miami is a ghetto dump full of uneducated people from South America. It just happens to have a couple sections that are some of the best in the country and it gets hyped because of that. Miami Beach does have the hottest women in the country though.

True, but Miami does still have a significant upper middle class hispanic population, the kind that doesn't really exist in Chicago. I would say generally many South Americans come to the states with a fair amount or preperation for advancement into the middle class. Obviously that depends on an individuals family background. Its more Central Americans (and Puerto Ricans) that have a lower rate of being upscale.

[5Lakes]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

True, but Miami does still have a significant upper middle class hispanic population, the kind that doesn't really exist in Chicago.

Well that is true. The same also applies to much of the Southwest.

[jbcmh81]

I just can't imagine moving to the suburban wastelands that are these Southern boomtowns. Charlotte, for example, has one of the lowest densities of a top 20 population city. Atlanta, Dallas, etc saw extremely low urban growth rates compared to the suburbs in the last census. Does anyone honestly believe that this is all sustainable? Cost of living is going to go up substantially, eliminating much of the initial draw from the North. Many places are already becoming more expensive than places in the MW and North.

[progmac]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

Most of Chicago is poor or working class neighborhoods with very little amenities or anything that is of interest to someone from the outside. The actual sophistication per capita is definitely higher in those three cities than in Chicago.

Boston has its blue blooded heritage, its important American history, and its ivy league schools. San Fran has its creative heritage, its universities, hippies/granola, and feels European which means generally suggests more refined. Miami is sexy, and has many more upper class hispanics (Cubans, etc.) , (the kind of hot women you see on those Spanish TV channels like telemundo) Chicagos hispanic communities are overwhelingly peasant background from a few areas of Mexico.

ah, so the "league" of cities is determined by "sophistication per capita" and your romanticized version of select locales.

in that case i can think of a dozen college towns that blow san francisco and boston out of the water.

[Townes Van Zandt]

Originally Posted by tex?il?

most of chicago is poor or working class neighborhoods with very little amenities or anything that is of interest to someone from the outside.

lol

[Cleveland_Collector]

The founders settled near ample freshwater supplies and in milder climates for a reason. I give the southern "boom" another 10-15 years. Lack of water and high energy prices will kill them eventually as nearly everything in the south requires expensive artificial refrigeration for 6 months out of the year. Whoring yourselves out with big tax breaks and oppressive labor tactics doesn't negate these two basic, ever-looming facts. Big corporations can move out just as rapidly as they moved in. When you can't provide basic resources at a reasonable rate (which is just around the corner), kiss them goodbye. There is zero allegiance. None.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

Most of Chicago is poor or working class neighborhoods with very little amenities or anything that is of interest to someone from the outside.

Wow. That is some ASTOUNDING ignorance right there.

[ZnGuy]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

The founders settled near ample freshwater supplies and in milder climates for a reason. I give the southern "boom" another 10-15 years. Lack of water and high energy prices will kill them eventually as nearly everything in the south requires expensive artificial refrigeration for 6 months out of the year. Whoring yourselves out with big tax breaks and oppressive labor tactics doesn't negate these two basic, ever-looming facts. Big corporations can move out just as rapidly as they moved in. When you can't provide basic resources at a reasonable rate (which is just around the corner), kiss them goodbye. There is zero allegiance. None.

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I find it amazing how people from OH and CLE like to post these myths regarding other other parts of country where people are flocking to cover up the flaws and make you feel better where you live. I've lived in many areas of the country along with long stays in CLE and COL. I do business there and have family, in fact I have been in CLE most of this week. I know the area well. Tell me, where did the Great Northeast Blackout originate that shut down the power grid and left 55 million people without electricity? I don't see people flocking back my friend.

[Cleveland_Collector]

It actually began because of faulty telemetry data from the MISO in Indiana which consequently touched off a vast series of events. Either way, what does the origination of a blackout that happened 8 YEARS ago have to do with anything? Take your silly strawmen elsewhere. What is much more important (and apparently missed by you) is that, for the past 4 summers, people in much of GA have been sucking water out of their swimming pools to do dishes and saving water from the shower to flush their toilets. It's hitting critical mass in some of these areas already and the best retort you have is about the blackout (a complete non sequitur...by the way, the lights were back on in less than 12 hours in most places) and a turbine plant (completely irrelavent).

Maybe you also missed the memo that saying and doing are an ocean apart. It'll take a lot more than Siemens building a turbine plant in NC.
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Also, my friend, Ohio is the 7th most populated state while ranking 34th in land area. We can do quite fine with a little stagnation in population growth. We have a long, long way to go before we come close to bottoming to the national population density average (where we rank 9th and are nearly 200 people/square mile over the national average). And, the only "flocking" that has been done is by those thinking a change of scenery will make for a better situation. All they're doing is moving their personal problems to places with little water and a huge need for high energy consumption in order to survive. They're all yours.

[Townes Van Zandt]

Originally Posted by ZnGuy

I find it amazing how people who moved from Ohio to NC like to post these myths regarding other other parts of country where people are leaving to cover up the flaws and make you feel better where you live.

Do you see what I did there?