omg moving to warren

[ZSL1985]

Originally Posted by jodipper

Only a few good restaurants are left. Alberinis, Cafe 422 (not original family), and Sunrise in Downtown Warren.

Cherry's, El Rio, The Living Room, Flamingo, Chieffos, Town and Country, Sabatini's, are all gone. Mostly chains now.

Just like any other town or city with shopping malls nearby, the chain restaurants follow. Same with the super Walmart. They build a new store, all of a sudden new plazas pop-up and they fill-up with the chain restaurants and stores.

Although some restaurants have changed owners in the last 7 to 10 years and others have closed down, we still have a great deal of restaurants to choose from besides the 3 you listed. All it takes is taking the time to choose one. Don't forget about Vernon's Cafe in Niles and V2 downtown Ytown. The Lemon Grove is expanding and for some odd reason, we have more than enough Mexican restaurants to choose from between Trumbull and Mahoning Counties. Cortland has Locos Amigos and Warren has at least 2 or 3 to choose from. Big L's Blind Pig on the outskirts of Cortland is pretty interesting too.

If you're downtown Warren, you cannot pass up The Hot Dog Shoppe or The Mocha House (which in my opinion is a great alternative to the Panera Bread chain, although, I still go to Panera to support Covelli Enterprises). And, regardless of how close Hot Dog Shoppe is to the not-so-nice side of Warren, I have never had a problem supporting the business.

Mahoning County has more to choose from as well.

I'm sure we could start a thread on local restaurants just in the Youngstown/Warren area.

Although not really considered local....the vineyards just to the north of here are very nice and offer a lot to do in the summer months.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by jodipper

That puts you in the minority. Most people in Warren or Youngstown would move in a minute if they could sell their house.

Unless you can link to reputable poll results, this is just hyperbole, and doesn't contribute anything to the conversation.

[jodipper]

I think counting for sale signs would be somewhat accurate. Knowing thousands of people in this area, many who wish they didn't, formed my opinion. This is not hyperbole.

I have read some of your posts. You mentioned the real estate taxes you pay. From the amount you stated I would not live in your area. Most people like a nice area(is that hyperbole again? I don't have poll numbers.)

[jodipper]

Originally Posted by ZSL1985

Just like any other town or city with shopping malls nearby, the chain restaurants follow. Same with the super Walmart. They build a new store, all of a sudden new plazas pop-up and they fill-up with the chain restaurants and stores.

Although some restaurants have changed owners in the last 7 to 10 years and others have closed down, we still have a great deal of restaurants to choose from besides the 3 you listed. All it takes is taking the time to choose one. Don't forget about Vernon's Cafe in Niles and V2 downtown Ytown. The Lemon Grove is expanding and for some odd reason, we have more than enough Mexican restaurants to choose from between Trumbull and Mahoning Counties. Cortland has Locos Amigos and Warren has at least 2 or 3 to choose from. Big L's Blind Pig on the outskirts of Cortland is pretty interesting too.

If you're downtown Warren, you cannot pass up The Hot Dog Shoppe or The Mocha House (which in my opinion is a great alternative to the Panera Bread chain, although, I still go to Panera to support Covelli Enterprises). And, regardless of how close Hot Dog Shoppe is to the not-so-nice side of Warren, I have never had a problem supporting the business.

Mahoning County has more to choose from as well.

I'm sure we could start a thread on local restaurants just in the Youngstown/Warren area.

Although not really considered local....the vineyards just to the north of here are very nice and offer a lot to do in the summer months.

I forgot Vernons, and Saratoga, but we were talking about the Warren area Italian and Greek. We used to be known for our food and now not so much. It is still much better foodwise than most areas, especially if you count church food.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by jodipper

I think counting for sale signs would be somewhat accurate.

This site has a map feature: North Canton Real Estate - Akron Real Estate - Wooster Real Estate - Kent Real Estate - Jackson Township Real Estate | Cutler Real Estate I zoomed to Youngstown, and then panned over to the neighboring suburb. (I did this for the north, west, and south sides of Youngstown) I didn't see a difference between city and suburb, in the number of houses for sale per the number of total houses in an area.

Knowing thousands of people in this area, many who wish they didn't, formed my opinion. This is not hyperbole.

From the neighbors I know, in both of the neighborhoods I live/spend time in, I don't get the same impression; only a minority of people I know wish they could move to a neighboring suburb.

I have read some of your posts. You mentioned the real estate taxes you pay. From the amount you stated I would not live in your area. Most people like a nice area(is that hyperbole again? I don't have poll numbers.)

I think everyone likes living in a nice area. Not many people consider higher property taxes something that makes an area nice.

BTW, this is the neighborhood with the very low property taxes: http://www.city-data.com/forum/21826362-post3.html There aren't many neighborhoods in the neighboring suburbs that are this nice, IMO. Don't get me wrong, I know they exist, and probably haven't suffered from as much neglect, but they are much more expensive, and aren't nearly as convenient to work and entertainment downtown.

--edit to add--

Now, I think I'm going to go sit out on the deck overlooking Mill Creek Park, on this beautiful evening, in my peaceful neighborhood, and enjoy my ridiculously low property taxes.

[jodipper]

Convenient to downtown is not a selling point. It might be ok when your young. In the 70's I spent many an evening at the Market Street bars. When you are in your 50's thru 80's, or raising a family, you don't really want anything to do with downtown.

As to the link of homes, you have to be putting me on. Most of those are dumps!

Maybe you should take a drive around the area and see what is out there. At this time you can buy nice custom built homes, in good school districts, with low crime for $100,000. And your taxes would only be about $1000 a half, with NO city income tax.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by jodipper

Convenient to downtown is not a selling point.

It is when you don't drive, and work there. Reread the first post I made on May 10th. I rejoined this conversation with: "I can only speak for myself."

It might be ok when your young. In the 70's I spent many an evening at the Market Street bars. When you are in your 50's thru 80's, or raising a family, you don't really want anything to do with downtown.

I don't know much about downtown Warren; from what I've seen, it appears more quaint than downtown Youngstown. Why wouldn't someone be interested in downtown Youngstown, after a certain age, or while raising a family? Do people raising a family--or those older than 50--not like to go out to eat? Do they not like festivals, concerts, shows, etc.?

As to the link of homes, you have to be putting me on. Most of those are dumps!

Maybe you should take a drive around the area and see what is out there. At this time you can buy nice custom built homes, in good school districts, with low crime for $100,000. And your taxes would only be about $1000 a half, with NO city income tax.

Different strokes for different folks, they say. I have absolutely no interest in any house built after 1940 or so, regardless of where it's located.

Since my job is in the city, I'd pay the same income taxes, regardless of where I live.

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by jodipper

Why move to a place that needs to change? The townships around Warren and Youngstown are fine.

Really? Maybe because you want to help make a positive change?
Kind of like why I moved into Cleveland from the suburbs. I believe in Cleveland. And I put my money where my mouth is.