Has illegal immigration hurt Ohio? (Boardman, Green: loans, foreclose, health insurance)

[Stephan_K]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

only here for a quick buck and selfishly ruining it for many of us. I'm going to stop here before I get REALLY carried away.

Oh....let me finish for you please !!!

ARE YOU PEOPLE SMOKING CRACK OR WHAT ???????

Legal and illegal immigration is KILLING this country....PERIOD. The influx of legal immigrants into this country is unbelievable and destroying it. When you add the illegals to it, it becomes ignorant worse. This post is in no way a slam against immigrants themselves so please nobody take it personally if you're an immigrant.

Here is a quick 10 minute must see clip. Immigration by the Numbers.mov If you think an influx of new immigrants into the area is going to solve the problems, smoke a little more of that crack you are already smoking. Maybe you'll get so high you'll break the barrier of how high you can actually get and end up back on earth.

Immigration is out of control for a reason. That reason is the US Government. The more people the gov can get into this country the more money the gov makes. Anyone living in this country weather legal or not has living expenses. Food, clothing, energy, ect. and these living expenses require the transfer of funds from one to another. Eventually the funds end up in corporations in America and these corporations pay tax on the "things" they sell to you. It is in the gov's best interest to increase the population as much as possible, hence the latest Mexican treaty for example.

Most immigrants that come to this country are very poor. That being said, some to most tend to move to an area and work for less than what anyone else would therefore taking a paying job from a local who is in need of that job and leaving that local unemployed. When you apply this scenario to an already devastated area like NE OHIO WHERE I LIVE and you have a recipe for an even bigger disaster.

So just what kind of jobs should these immigrants have when they get here? As it is now the unemployment rate in NE OH is through the roof. There are more homes for sale here than anywhere else and nobody with any money to buy them. And where is this revenue supposed to come from to support the influx of immigrants? FROM THE POOR IMMIGRANTS ! (Must be that crack your smokin talking again)

WAKE UP PEOPLE. Right now immigration is this countries worst enemy. It is destroying the very economic foundation we are built on. And the gov supports it and helps it along all that they can because it benefits them. They can give a rats ass about the people of this country, only how much money they can get in their grubby hands.

As cheap as housing is in NE Ohio, with no economic drivers of any sort (compared to other areas) the only people that will influx here are the poor because it is the only place they will be able to afford. Once here, because it is the only place they can afford, they find that there is no real jobs or substantial revenue stream for anyone to really prosper, what do you think comes next????

I am appalled that one would wish for immigration influx because they think it will improve thinks. Freakin rediculous !!!!!!!!

[Crew Chief]

Stephan_K, while we both agree that illegal immigration is a large problem for the U.S. (as it is in many other places around the world), I temper my concern with a couple of personal experiences;

- I am married to a German woman who speaks better English than I do and has a Masters as well as other specialized education. She teaches German at our nearby middle school. While Americans can and do a good job teaching foreign languages, there is nothing better than being taught by a native speaker that can also include the local culture along with language instruction. There are many places where LEGAL immigrants can contribute to our economy.

- Having lived along the Mexican border in Texas, I saw first-hand how much commerce crosses the border in both directions. Many families are spread across the border. The local economy on BOTH sides of the Rio Grande benefit from that interaction. (with proper safeguards that keep non-citizens from obtaining the benefits U.S. citizens are entitled to) Yes, that's entirely different from illegals working in construction in, say, Minnesota. I realize that this is a VERY thorny issue that has no easy solution. But I find myself amenable to some kind of "guest worker" program for agricultural workers. That's a job few Americans would do. But construction, trucking and other jobs that are gradually going to lower-wage foreigners; that's a different discussion.

OK, that's my .02¢ worth...

[JoeP]

Ohio should be thrilled to get new residents, legal or otherwise.

[jlrosen]

ohio is in danger of losing population, any immigration is helpful

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

[Stephan_K]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Ohio should be thrilled to get new residents, legal or otherwise.

When an "otherwise" illegal takes your job and you become unemployed, how thrilled will you be then?

When the bank forecloses on your home because you can not make the payment anymore, how thrilled will you be then?

When "otherwise" illegals move to your neighborhood and gang activity and crime rates begin to rise, how thrilled will you be then?

Provided you still have your house, and your property value is now less than what you paid for it years ago, how thrilled will you be then?

I fail to see yours and a few others logic on how a poor immigration influx to OH will improve things. Somebody please explain the economics of this????

If you want to wish for something positive, wish for revenue streams to move to OH not just people in general. I can't think of any reasons why revenue streams would move here and neither can big business obviously, and people with money (in numbers enough to change the economic structure), hence the present situation in most of OH!

This is primarily the reason why I am moving my family out of OH. NE OH is poised for an influx of poor both native and foreign. Sure there are "micro" areas that are nice and upscale such as the area I live in, but all in all the whole area is suffering from decreasing economic drivers and the value of everything is plummeting. This is not what I have been working for my whole life.

[htlong]

I feel they are criminals due to the fact that they committed a crime by entering the country illegally.they are hard working and work for less than the American workers, which causes a big problem with the lifestyle of legal residents. besides lowering the wages of legal residents , they drive with no license ,no insurance and if they wreck into your car ...oh well ! the second part of the problem has been pretty much documented in the south west, is that the first generation are hard workers and try to live the American dream , but the second generation resort to the gang culture and are a menace to our society. is this a racist statement ...maybe but it has happened enough to be concerned about it, and the answer is secure our borders and ship them back when they are apprehended, they drain our schools, health system and our jails.
am I a racist? I dont think so ,I believe in the rule of law and the illegals no matter how hard working and good citizens they are, have broken the law from the moment they stepped across our border.

[htlong]

Originally Posted by boardmanite

Hmmmmm.... I'm 23, so I think I qualify as a youth... I'm not scared about the future. I've been fortunate to have been able to travel a great deal and it's made the world seem smaller and safer to me.

I love the diversity in America and I wish Ohio had more of it. I think cities like Youngstown would benefit a great deal from an influx of immigrants. They could breathe new life into the city's forgotten neighborhoods.

as you stated you are young, wait until you cant find a job with livable wages, wait until your tax dollars are educating them and they replace you at your job because they will work for way less. yes you are young, and have much to learn. This is America which is governed by the rule of law, it is a republic not a democracy...if you dont know the difference between the two just ask and I will explain it to you.

[boardmanite]

Originally Posted by htlong

as you stated you are young, wait until you cant find a job with livable wages, wait until your tax dollars are educating them and they replace you at your job because they will work for way less. yes you are young, and have much to learn. This is America which is governed by the rule of law, it is a republic not a democracy...if you dont know the difference between the two just ask and I will explain it to you.

I wasn't going to reply to this thread after someone said I was on crack, but after this post, I just had to. My answer to all those who are complaining about the illegals stealing their jobs is: GO TO FREAKIN' COLLEGE TO GET A DECENT JOB. If an illegal immigrant steals your $8.00 an hour grass-cutting job, I don't feel bad for you. The vast majority of jobs in America require skills that very few illegals have. First and foremost, most jobs require some form of fluency in English. Many also require some kind of training and/or relevant experience, which illegals often lack. So if an illegal steals your job, don't complain to me about it.

I will most likely always be able to find a job, and an illegal could never steal my job away. I don't care if my tax dollars go to educating the children of illegals. I can think of more rediculous things my tax money is spent on. The way I see it is: if they stayed in Mexico, they'd end up just like their parents, desperately trying to get into this country, and the cycle would repeat itself. If they just stay here and are educated with American youth, they may have a better chance at getting ahead and contributing to society. Someone pointed out that children of illegals "resort to gang culture". That was a sweeping statement that was not backed by any sort of statistic or source. White, black and Asian youth "resort to gang culture" too. America had problems before we had illegal immigrants and their offspring.

Like you said, I am young and I have a lot to learn. But maybe you are old and sour. I don't need you to explain to me the difference between a democracy and a republic. I'm young and I have a lot to learn, but I'm not stupid. Don't talk to me like I am.

[Traveler87]

Ohio is really starting to see a large influx of immigration in our state. The asian and hispanic populations are growing extremely rapidly. Most states are seeing a large hispanic increase, but not such a fast asian increase like Ohio's, and infact some states have seen a population decrease in its asian population.

The african american population in Ohio is also increasing. Ohio has one of the largest african american populations in the country, and percentage wise, Ohio beats out Texas too. Ohio has also been voted one of the best states for african americans to live in. Columbus being one of the best cities in that category. States like Michigan are watching their african american population decrease quite rapidly.

And there are a lot of myths on Ohio's population growth. Ohio has yet to see NEGATIVE growth in any annual census since 1990. In fact the last one for 2006 showed Ohio only increasing about 4,000 residents. That is still growth though, not a decline. Michigan in that same census saw a decline of over 30,000 residents. Rhode Island and North Dakota also showed decreases.

There also have been years where Ohio saw good increases as well. Ohio is facing problems just like Pennsylvania and Mass. when it comes to population growth. We are not as dependent on one job base as Michigan is, so diversifying our economy won't be as hard as their's, but we are trying. Ohio and Pennsylvania have done good jobs of doing so. The tech sector is growing pretty good in Ohio, and the medical field is doing well too. We have turned our government around, and Govenor Strickland is a good govenor, the future of this whole country is not looking good at the moment, but Strickland has some very good intentions.

All in all, I would like to see much more immigration come to Ohio. Ohio has a long and rich history, full of so many different groups of people. We are a large state with large cities. Bring on the immigrants.

[CortlandGirl79]

Boardmanite, i'm gonna have to disagree w/you on the immigration thing. First off i know many people that do have a degree that run their on construction or landscaping companies and they make good money. They also employee teens and college students and pay them halfway decent. For example, my brother's friend owns a business like this and paid him $10/hr one summer to help out. If illegals take over these jobs i doubt anyone would be hiring students working their way through college, not to mention that illegals most likely get paid under-the-table, at much lower rates, which means they aren't paying taxes on their measly checks.

Also, having a degree guarantees you nothing, especially here in NE Ohio. I myself worked a high wage job at Delphi for 7 years and worked on the line next to several people that had degrees and could not find work or couldn't find work that paid as good as delphi, especially when you consider benefits.

I don't know about everyone else, but because Delphi and other companies have off-shored most of their work or outsourced to Mexico our area is hurting. Our tax-base is shrinking and local governments are starting to feel the pinch. Not to mention the strain that's put on area hospitals due to the fact that many people don't have health insurance. Forum Health is already in trouble due in part to lack of coverage. Can you imagine what it would be like if you burdened these hospitals w/illegals???? What about property owners that already pay super high taxes?? If you have to start educating people whose parents don't pay taxes, what do you think the tax burden would be on homeowners??? All the school systems around here would be in the red........it's hard enough to get a levy passed around here due to our aging population (on a fixed income), lack of jobs, and already high taxes. People really need to think about consequences when it comes to an illegal population.

Just my two cents!