Has illegal immigration hurt Ohio? (Youngstown, Warren: credit card, loans, how much)

[ohioan_17]

I agree with CortlandGirl79.
I have no problem with legal immigrants, but illegal immigrants get on my nerves. I mean, how hard can it be to get into America without climbing a fence or hiding in a crate on a ship. I have to admit I am biased towards European immigrants, because they've pretty much always been coming to America. Mexicans, however, seemed to just start coming recently. It's like, how much worse could it have gotten from 20 years ago? And the country of Mexico was founded only 44 years after the United States(or I suppose you could say 90), and we are 331 years old.

[Stephan_K]

Originally Posted by boardmanite

I wasn't going to reply to this thread after someone said I was on crack, but after this post, I just had to. My answer to all those who are complaining about the illegals stealing their jobs is: GO TO FREAKIN' COLLEGE TO GET A DECENT JOB. If an illegal immigrant steals your $8.00 an hour grass-cutting job, I don't feel bad for you. The vast majority of jobs in America require skills that very few illegals have. First and foremost, most jobs require some form of fluency in English. Many also require some kind of training and/or relevant experience, which illegals often lack. So if an illegal steals your job, don't complain to me about it.

I will most likely always be able to find a job, and an illegal could never steal my job away. I don't care if my tax dollars go to educating the children of illegals. I can think of more rediculous things my tax money is spent on. The way I see it is: if they stayed in Mexico, they'd end up just like their parents, desperately trying to get into this country, and the cycle would repeat itself. If they just stay here and are educated with American youth, they may have a better chance at getting ahead and contributing to society. Someone pointed out that children of illegals "resort to gang culture". That was a sweeping statement that was not backed by any sort of statistic or source. White, black and Asian youth "resort to gang culture" too. America had problems before we had illegal immigrants and their offspring.

Like you said, I am young and I have a lot to learn. But maybe you are old and sour. I don't need you to explain to me the difference between a democracy and a republic. I'm young and I have a lot to learn, but I'm not stupid. Don't talk to me like I am.

It's attitudes like yours and lack of economic education that has made the SW US what it is today. You are completely ignoring RECENT US HISTORY and welcoming the same disaster into your home community that has proven to be the absolute worst thing to do. You say you are college educated..........Did you happen to take any business or economics classes? Or were you partying instead?

I didn't say you were on crack. Just asked a general question to everyone if they were smoking it...........what's the matter, got a guilty conscience?

[wehotex]

Originally Posted by boardmanite

I wasn't going to reply to this thread after someone said I was on crack, but after this post, I just had to. My answer to all those who are complaining about the illegals stealing their jobs is: GO TO FREAKIN' COLLEGE TO GET A DECENT JOB. If an illegal immigrant steals your $8.00 an hour grass-cutting job, I don't feel bad for you. The vast majority of jobs in America require skills that very few illegals have. First and foremost, most jobs require some form of fluency in English. Many also require some kind of training and/or relevant experience, which illegals often lack. So if an illegal steals your job, don't complain to me about it.

I will most likely always be able to find a job, and an illegal could never steal my job away. I don't care if my tax dollars go to educating the children of illegals. I can think of more rediculous things my tax money is spent on. The way I see it is: if they stayed in Mexico, they'd end up just like their parents, desperately trying to get into this country, and the cycle would repeat itself. If they just stay here and are educated with American youth, they may have a better chance at getting ahead and contributing to society. Someone pointed out that children of illegals "resort to gang culture". That was a sweeping statement that was not backed by any sort of statistic or source. White, black and Asian youth "resort to gang culture" too. America had problems before we had illegal immigrants and their offspring.

Like you said, I am young and I have a lot to learn. But maybe you are old and sour. I don't need you to explain to me the difference between a democracy and a republic. I'm young and I have a lot to learn, but I'm not stupid. Don't talk to me like I am.

you obviously have had the good fortune of getting and earning a college education. but what do you say to the american citizens who didn't have the good breaks that you had? do you say to them, "i don't care if an illegal takes your job"? getting an education is not so easy to many americans when they are trying to care for their kids and making ends meet with the rising costs of everyday vitals with stagnant incomes. you seem very spoiled and selfish to me.

[Stephan_K]

Originally Posted by CortlandGirl79

I don't know about everyone else, but because Delphi and other companies have off-shored most of their work or outsourced to Mexico our area is hurting. Our tax-base is shrinking and local governments are starting to feel the pinch. Not to mention the strain that's put on area hospitals due to the fact that many people don't have health insurance. Forum Health is already in trouble due in part to lack of coverage. Can you imagine what it would be like if you burdened these hospitals w/illegals???? What about property owners that already pay super high taxes?? If you have to start educating people whose parents don't pay taxes, what do you think the tax burden would be on homeowners??? All the school systems around here would be in the red........it's hard enough to get a levy passed around here due to our aging population (on a fixed income), lack of jobs, and already high taxes. People really need to think about consequences when it comes to an illegal population.

Just my two cents!

GM has not yet completely implemented the overseas manufacturing. But it is coming very soon. It is my understanding that Packard will be finished as a GM parts manuf. in the next few years. After that you will see the auto industry really go offshore. The driving factor will be when China enters the US market full force. That is scheduled to begin to happen as early as 2009. Then the pressure begins for the US auto makers.

As far as taxes go, OH is (the last I knew) the 4th highest taxed state in the country. And as Traveler87 mentioned about population, it may be basically staying the same. I believe that is due to the replacement of the "money making" people leaving the State with the poor. The lower class and poor do not generate the tax revenue near what the middle class has allowed the State to enjoy for so long. Higher taxes is the only result until the State gov gets their act together. I don't see this scenario changing for quite some time.

Traveler87.....good intentions does not mean that the State gov has been turned around. Until the State finds a way to bring revenue in, nothing will change. Being one of the highest Taxed Stated in the country makes that next to impossible. Taxes kill........

[Stephan_K]

Originally Posted by wehotex

you obviously have had the good fortune of getting and earning a college education. but what do you say to the american citizens who didn't have the good breaks that you had? do you say to them, "i don't care if an illegal takes your job"? getting an education is not so easy to many americans when they are trying to care for their kids and making ends meet with the rising costs of everyday vitals with stagnant incomes. you sound very spoiled to me.

I don't know if you are familiar with NE OH but there is a place called Boardman. It is located right between Poland and Canfield. If the name "Boardmanite" is any indication of where they are from, Boardman Ohio, your post describes most of the youth coming out of that area to a tee. I think silver spoon is the term most I know use.

Boardmanite, this is NOT a personal attack on you, I am just posting an obvious similarity that ANYONE familiar with NE OH would conclude as well after reading wehotex'sw post. DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL!

[nebulous1]

Originally Posted by Stephan_K

When an "otherwise" illegal takes your job and you become unemployed, how thrilled will you be then?

When the bank forecloses on your home because you can not make the payment anymore, how thrilled will you be then?

When "otherwise" illegals move to your neighborhood and gang activity and crime rates begin to rise, how thrilled will you be then?

Provided you still have your house, and your property value is now less than what you paid for it years ago, how thrilled will you be then?

I fail to see yours and a few others logic on how a poor immigration influx to OH will improve things. Somebody please explain the economics of this????

If you want to wish for something positive, wish for revenue streams to move to OH not just people in general. I can't think of any reasons why revenue streams would move here and neither can big business obviously, and people with money (in numbers enough to change the economic structure), hence the present situation in most of OH!

This is primarily the reason why I am moving my family out of OH. NE OH is poised for an influx of poor both native and foreign. Sure there are "micro" areas that are nice and upscale such as the area I live in, but all in all the whole area is suffering from decreasing economic drivers and the value of everything is plummeting. This is not what I have been working for my whole life.

I agree. Totally.When it's not them, the world is a big fruitbowl.

[1watertiger]

i hope the rest of the "younger " adults dont feel the way boardmanite feels. because he is so wrong. you have no clue and lack decades of experience.

[CortlandGirl79]

Originally Posted by Stephan_K

I don't know if you are familiar with NE OH but there is a place called Boardman. It is located right between Poland and Canfield. If the name "Boardmanite" is any indication of where they are from, Boardman Ohio, your post describes most of the youth coming out of that area to a tee. I think silver spoon is the term most I know use.

Boardmanite, this is NOT a personal attack on you, I am just posting an obvious similarity that ANYONE familiar with NE OH would conclude as well after reading wehotex'sw post. DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL!

Not that i think you were totally bashing him, but in defense of Boardmanite, he is very young, i believe 21 or 23, can't remember. He just hasn't had the work and/or life experience that many of us have. I also believe he's only lived in Boardman for 3 years, as he grew up in Greenville and Hermitage, Pa. I'm not sure that he's owned his own home yet, but you do start to realize how high taxes really are when you pay property tax, and in some cases city tax. I'm also guessing that he hasn't had to pay for health-care yet, but i could be wrong.

I myself am pretty young (i'll be 29 on the 1st), but i have a lot of experience living our recent economic history. You could say i had a silver spoon in my mouth just because i grew up in Cortland.

Things aren't always what they seem though. My dad worked in production at Packard for 35 yrs and my mom stayed home w/my brother and i. Thankfully, I'm blessed w/two great parents that always put my brother and i first. They rarely bought themselves anything and stuck to a tight budget. There were times they never bought each other anything for X-mas just so we could have stuff. They ran cars into the ground, used coupons, and we never went on extravagant vacations. Always car trips to historical locals like Gettysburg, the henry ford museum, or the one year that we did a trip around the great state of Ohio. My parents and i have yet to get on an airplane and none of us have been to Disney. Man, i sound deprived!

Many people that i worked w/at Delphi thought i was spoiled because i was from there(Cortland). I also had a girl tell me i was totally spoiled because my parents paid for my college and that i should have to work for it. They also were a little jealous that i got such a such a good job at the ripe old age of 20. A lot of them had really struggled before getting hired there and most were at least 7 or 8 years older than me, many had lost jobs in the steel industry. I remember when i first started, i was living at home and i mentioned that i hadn't made it to the bank to cash 4 checks. Everyone at work resented the fact the i had virtually no bills and that i could afford to just let my paychecks pile up in my bedroom.

By age 22 i had bought my first house, I've paid city tax, property tax, I've paid off 2 car loans. I've also gone through several temporary layoffs, downsizing, and ultimately took a buyout before they could close the place and make the decision for me. It was a very difficult time in my life, trying to make the right choice. I put my house up for sale right after the bankruptcy and it took me almost a year to sell.

So, now I'm here doing what Boardmanite suggests everyone should do, I'm finally finishing my degree and paying for my own health insurance. I'm not naive enough to think my business management degree is going to get me a job, especially here in the Mahoning Valley. I also doubt that i will land a job that pays me what i made at Delphi........and I'm just about positive i will never have as good a benefit plan. I may never make the money that i made there, it's hard to say.

Also, not everyone is cut out for college, nor can everyone afford it. Some people don't know how to even go about signing up for school, applying for scholarships, or getting a loan. Should my dad go to college at age 55 to start a new career???? Yeah, I'm sure someone will hire him in 4 years! Many people that took the buyout are in their 40s, some are single parents w/kids.........it's got to be awful hard for them to start over. Not to mention that many places around here won't hire ex-delphi employees because a few people have given us a bad reputation.

Besides, what do you do if everyone has degrees? First you would hire people that had a degree plus work experience. They aren't going to hire someone out of college over someone who has experience. What happens once everyone has a degree and experience? Get a masters???? Lots of people are getting those nowadays too. Competition for jobs in the future is going to be crazy. I have friends that have degrees that are making less than 30k, its ridiculous.

Alright, i know I've gone on quite the rant, but i just had to spill out everything that came to mind. I'm a real talker in real life, so i suppose I'm a real "typer" here. That's my 2 cents.....some people need a dose of reality......i've sure had mine and then some!

[jlrosen]

the statue of liberty is the most recognizable landmark our country has, yet our country cannot live up its inscription

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

[CortlandGirl79]

Those things are all great.........i'm fine w/poor people coming here..............as long as they come LEGALLY!!!!