Has illegal immigration hurt Ohio? (Boardman, Republic: debt, wages, job)

[OhioNative]

Originally Posted by ILOVEOHIO

I don't think the problem is with the Immigrants, it's with all of the wretched out sourcing. It's sad to see our hardworking machinists, steelworkers and rubberworkers out of good paying jobs because it's cheaper to move the company to Bangladesh or wherever else they send these companies.

Also, many of these illegal immigrants come here to work, like actually WORK from sunrise to sunset 6 or even 7 days a week. When you see a group of Mexicans on a roof or hanging siding, you can't doubt their work ethic because they actually have a strong one. I have seen too many LAZY ass people (White and Black) who are actually Americans that don't have jobs and most of them don't even look for employment. I mean, they can't go to McDonalds or Taco Bell? **** even mow lawns or shovel snow. And...lets not even get into the single mom that has NO job and 4 kids driving a Lexus living on Welfare and Food Stamps in Section 8 housing??

Don't believe me?? Go to a check cashing place on the first of the month.

The problem with illegal immigration is not necessarily the workers themselves - they are obviously hard working, and many that I have met individually are really great people. The problem, as has happened down here in Georgia, is when they change the demographics in whole neighborhoods and live 10 to 15 to a house, parking multiple cars and trucks on the lawn - this is not some racist stereotype, it is actually happening. The county where I live has attempted to pass laws limiting 8 people to a house, but this is very hard to enforce. The other issue is the schools, which in many parts of Atlanta have become 80-90% spanish speaking. Those who are wishing for more illegal immigration have no idea what they are in for. I have friends who still live in NE Ohio who complain about a few illegals in Painesville and Geneva, and I have to laugh. Picture suburb after suburb after suburb completely transformed by illegal immigration - for comparison's sake, imagine an area of Lake County from Wickliffe to Madison completely changed to almost 100% Spanish speaking - that is comparable to what has happened in my area of Atlanta. I'm actually surprised that this has not happened in NE Ohio with the inexpensive housing available in many areas. I guess that the economy is the only thing that has kept the wave from coming your way.

[SeabeeBolt]

Originally Posted by Alaskapat528

Lady Liberty was referring to LEGAL immigrants....probably about now she should be swinging a bat and screaming "get the he** out of my country" to every single illegal!

I like that idea, good one , I agree with you.

My family came to this country back in 1757 as far as can trace them, and they fought in every war since to protect it. If the immigrants come and want to stay here, then join our armed forces and fight, and learn the English language like our forefathers did. And most of all "DON'T TRY CHANGING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM". It was written in English, you sing it in english.

[Stephan_K]

Originally Posted by OhioNative

The problem with illegal immigration is not necessarily the workers themselves - they are obviously hard working, and many that I have met individually are really great people. The problem, as has happened down here in Georgia, is when they change the demographics in whole neighborhoods and live 10 to 15 to a house, parking multiple cars and trucks on the lawn - this is not some racist stereotype, it is actually happening. The county where I live has attempted to pass laws limiting 8 people to a house, but this is very hard to enforce. The other issue is the schools, which in many parts of Atlanta have become 80-90% spanish speaking. Those who are wishing for more illegal immigration have no idea what they are in for. I have friends who still live in NE Ohio who complain about a few illegals in Painesville and Geneva, and I have to laugh. Picture suburb after suburb after suburb completely transformed by illegal immigration - for comparison's sake, imagine an area of Lake County from Wickliffe to Madison completely changed to almost 100% Spanish speaking - that is comparable to what has happened in my area of Atlanta. I'm actually surprised that this has not happened in NE Ohio with the inexpensive housing available in many areas. I guess that the economy is the only thing that has kept the wave from coming your way.

Help me out here a bit, the situation you bring up (as is happening everywhere) do you think that if all those illegals you are speaking of simply acquired papers to make themselves legal, would that change anything there? Didn't think so...... which brings me to my next question, would all of those people being legal in the eyes of the people of the US make this situation acceptable for everyone?

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by Stephan_K

If you do a quick search you will find much more accurate data on the actual numbers that were generalized in that clip. You will also find true numbers of how many resources legal immigration costs the American economy.

What I'm truly amazed about is that these numbers DO NOT take into account illegal immigration. Everyone thinks illegal immigration is what is killing this country but in reality the influx of poor legal immigrants is where the problem was started, illegal immigration is just compounding the problem.

Like I asked before, do you honestly think that all the problems in the SW US are from ILLEGALS? The poor legal immigrants have more to do with their problems than the illegals ! If you do a little research on immigration you will see just that too.

And if people are flocking to CA and AZ because of the booming economies there, then why are they the heart of the "housing crunch"?

I agree with this post. The SW has huge amounts of problems, NOT JUST ILLEGALS. And California's economy is down the drain already. Over a 6.1% unemployment rate, I believe 3rd in the nation right now behind Michigan and Mississippi. More people are moving out of California than in, and I think many immigrants are seeing the problems California is facing and moving to other parts of the country.

[OhioNative]

Originally Posted by Stephan_K

Help me out here a bit, the situation you bring up (as is happening everywhere) do you think that if all those illegals you are speaking of simply acquired papers to make themselves legal, would that change anything there? Didn't think so...... which brings me to my next question, would all of those people being legal in the eyes of the people of the US make this situation acceptable for everyone?

I don't think so. Many of the kids in school are already legal, as they were born here. Most of the Mexican gang members here in Atlanta are also legal - they are second or third generation kids who moved here from California and Texas. I think that what most people react negatively towards is the saturation of cultural changes that have happened in certain areas in a very short period of time (many parts of Gwinnett County Georgia went from 0% to 100% Hispanic in a period of about 10 years) , along with a "chip on the shoulder" attitude about assimilation into American culture that is often seen.

[SeabeeBolt]

Well maybe we need to just ship them all "born here or not" back to mexico. That would suit me just fine, and I don't care about their kids, send them back with the parents.

Close all of the southern border and open fire as we see them and leave them where they drop . Little do people know that they have been shooting across the fence and killing our border guards, but the news says nothing about that.

[Stephan_K]

Originally Posted by Traveler87

More people are moving out of California than in, and I think many immigrants are seeing the problems California is facing and moving to other parts of the country.

Yes they are....... and bringing with them the very problems they are running from and helped to create in the first place for many of them. It sort of goes right back to Buckeyegal's post a few posts ago........ As long as the gov is handing out everything, problems are going to happen everywhere eventually. OH is no different.

[Stephan_K]

Originally Posted by OhioNative

I don't think so. Many of the kids in school are already legal, as they were born here. Most of the Mexican gang members here in Atlanta are also legal - they are second or third generation kids who moved here from California and Texas. I think that what most people react negatively towards is the saturation of cultural changes that have happened in certain areas in a very short period of time (many parts of Gwinnett County Georgia went from 0% to 100% Hispanic in a period of about 10 years) , along with a "chip on the shoulder" attitude about assimilation into American culture that is often seen.

You shore up my point. Being here legal or not, poor immigration is the root of the majority of problem !!!

Cultural change........ what the hell do people thing is going to happen once you bring in MILLIONS of people from differnt cultures into communities? Is everyone THAT naive.....or should I say stupid !

[OhioNative]

Originally Posted by Stephan_K

Yes they are....... and bringing with them the very problems they are running from and helped to create in the first place for many of them. It sort of goes right back to Buckeyegal's post a few posts ago........ As long as the gov is handing out everything, problems are going to happen everywhere eventually. OH is no different.

The bottom line is the fact that we are all going to have to get used to the demographic changes in this country - it is not going to change, regardless of what the vast majority of people want. The government has decided that it wants this to happen, both parties. On the one hand, the Democrats like the idea of a third world underclass that they can control as the ruling elite on our way to a socialist society. On the other hand, the Republicans need to provide the cheap labor to the big corporations as they try to move us towards a fascist style government/corporate ruling partnership. In the meantime, the media feed us with poll after poll stating that "the majority of people support comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship" (they all use the same phrase). Either way, this country as we knew it is in the dust bin of history.

[Carnivoregal]

Originally Posted by Stephan_K

Yes they are....... and bringing with them the very problems they are running from and helped to create in the first place for many of them. It sort of goes right back to Buckeyegal's post a few posts ago........ As long as the gov is handing out everything, problems are going to happen everywhere eventually. OH is no different.

Exactly! And what nobody here has mentioned yet, is that alot of them are very, very, very RACIST! They call White Americans "gringos" and they call Black Americans ""mayates". Who do you think is footing the bill for all the babies they pop out? You and me the American taxpayer. Everytime you see one, they have a baby in the belly, a baby in the stroller and another one holding their hand. Hell, the typical American can't afford to push out baby after baby year after year and they wouldn't want to. All anybody has to do is google "La Raza" and "La reconquista" to see that any true patriotic American should be concerned.