Should Cincinnati Secede from Ohio? (Columbus, Cleveland: bankruptcy, tax, law)

[Cincy-Rise]

^ True, there are many, many Buckeye fans in Cincy, but maybe not as much OSU fans. This in my opinion is mainly because of UC. We have a university right in our uptown area that has a 36,000 student base with a freshman waiting list. Not OSU, but otherwise pretty damn large.

[Clevelander17]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

^ True, there are many, many Buckeye fans in Cincy, but maybe not as much OSU fans. This in my opinion is mainly because of UC. We have a university right in our uptown area that has a 36,000 student base with a freshman waiting list. Not OSU, but otherwise pretty damn large.

UC's move to the Big East and its recent football success has undoubtedly bit into OSU's Cincy fanbase. Also Notre Dame, once a big draw in Cincinnati, has probably suffered most from UC rise though because the Irish have been down in recent years. My take on the Kentucky fans in Cincinnati is that they keep their gear in the closet until basketball season.

[Hey_Hey]

If there's any city Ohio should get rid of it's Cleveland. The only more depressing place I've been to is Detroit. Who knows, maybe Detroit and Cleveland could form a new state all to themselves and try to out-rust each other.

[Clevelander17]

Originally Posted by Hey_Hey

If there's any city Ohio should get rid of it's Cleveland. The only more depressing place I've been to is Detroit. Who knows, maybe Detroit and Cleveland could form a new state all to themselves and try to out-rust each other.

Someone hasn't seen enough of Cleveland lately to be making these types of comments.

[r0dpe2c]

Although I don't agree with Hey-Hey's comment, I did think it was kind of funny.

I was born and raised in Akron but graduated from Univerisity of Cincinnati, so I have lived there.

Heck, Cincinnati is the oldest large city in the state and has played an important role in Ohio from the state's beginnings. Now granted, is the area different than lets say all of NE Ohio? ... Heck Yes, but I love the diversity of our state.

Is Cincinnati southern like? .... No. It is like other southern Midwest cities/areas i.e. St. Louis, Kansis City , S. Illinois, S. Indiana .. there is a southern influence, (just like N. Kentucky has a Midwest influence) but still a Midwest culture.

I think culturally, the city is not as isolated as the original poster tried to portray. Someone from southern Ohio would fit nicely in Cincinnati. The true division is between the northen half of the state and the southern half of the state (like earlier posters noted). The Columbus area is kind of split to me, they don't fit with many of the cities in the northern part of the state, but they also don't fit with the southern half all the way either, but I'll give them to southern Ohio so that the region can be somewhat populated and provide some progressive/liberal attitudes to the region.

[TheCLE]

This is getting away from just the should Cincinnati seceed question, but I've had the luxary of either living in, having family in or traveled quite a bit around Ohio. This is my take on the state.

Northeast Ohio
This is where I was born and raised. I've always seen it as a very Democratic area, but not one that is very liberal. Like somebody else said it is Democratic in the old sense. I've never found it an ultra-progressive area, just a blue collar area that goes toward the Dems because that is the group that in the past century has benefitted the area.

Somebody said people in Cleveland view Akron as the "Capital of Appalachia". I've never thought that was the case. Actually, it wasn't until I attended the University of Akron until I even realized that people in Akron had their own identity and they weren't "Clevelanders". Up until that point, I always lumped Akron in as Cleveland. I did the same thing with people from Canton and Youngstown as well.

Having lived in all four cities. They are four distinct areas. But basically my perception has been that Cleveland has it's own identity. Akron does too, but it cloesly resembles that of Cleveland. Youngstown has it's identity, but the area leans more toward Pittsburgh (as in Appalachian ... P.S. Pittsburgh is a city I visited a lot). Canton also leans more toward the Pittsburgh side, but it's more split between Cleveland-Pittsburgh than Youngstown (which leaned way more toward Pittsburgh).

Northwest Ohio
Basically it is Sandusky and Toledo and a bunch of farm towns. Sandusky and Toledo are similar to Cleveland (and Detroit) in that they are industrial and blue, but not an ultra-progressive blue.

The rest of that area is about as red as it can get and resembles rural Indiana.

Central Ohio
I don't know what Central Ohio is exactly. I'll just say it's the Columbus area. It seems like while it isn't as blue as Northeast Ohio, it is the most progressive area. That's because it is highly educated. The Democrats seem to be liberal and the Republicans tend to lean more toward the middle. In shear numbers, it isn't as Democratic as Northeast Ohio, but it is more liberal. Proof of that is to look at by how large a margin Obama won Franklin County over Clinton compared to Cuyahoga (a much more Democratic county).

Of all the regions, this is the one that is hardest to distinguish. Part of it is due to being in the middle and another part of it is due to that it is a newer population center. I will say that it is also the area that lacks the character of the others in Ohio. But it is what it is and it's not a bad thing.

Southwest Ohio
This is the area I have the least knowledge about, but have been there enough to at least give a general idea of the culture. I've always felt that Dayton was much more Democratic than Cincinnati and that it felt more like a Northeast Ohio city. My impression is that it is a lot like Akron, in that it it has it's own identity, but it feels more like Cleveland. Which is weird because it should feel more like Cincinnati. Maybe I'm off on that, but that's what I got.

Cincinnati, however, and this is not a big secret, really seems like a city (region) within itself. Just about everybody I know from Cincinnati distinguishes themselve by which HS they went to. Out of all the areas, it seemed like this is the one that was most likely that you were born into an area and you would live there, have a family there and send your kids to the same school that your father and grandfather attended. I will say, though, that most of the people I have met from Cincy attended Catholic schools. Cleveland is Catholic city, but Cincy is a very Catholic city. Still, the people I have met from there seemed very conservative and set in their ways.

Southeast Ohio
My visits to SE Ohio are mainly Steubenville, Bellaire, Martins Ferry, East LIverpool, etc. ... Northeastern of the SE cities if you would say, but I think that those areas are again much like the Pittsburgh area. In Ohio standards, I would compare those people to those in the Canton area, just a little more rural. I've never really been to SE cities like Portsmouth, Ironton, Chillicothe, etc. to gauge them.

While I have my views on what our state "should" look like, I respect the differences of the regions.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by TheCLE

I will say, though, that most of the people I have met from Cincy attended Catholic schools. Cleveland is Catholic city, but Cincy is a very Catholic city. Still, the people I have met from there seemed very conservative and set in their ways.

Can you give some examples on how we're "set in our ways?"

[hillside]

Originally Posted by TheCLE

This is getting away from just the should Cincinnati seceed question, but I've had the luxary of either living in, having family in or traveled quite a bit around Ohio. This is my take on the state.

Northeast Ohio
This is where I was born and raised. I've always seen it as a very Democratic area, but not one that is very liberal. Like somebody else said it is Democratic in the old sense. I've never found it an ultra-progressive area, just a blue collar area that goes toward the Dems because that is the group that in the past century has benefitted the area.

Somebody said people in Cleveland view Akron as the "Capital of Appalachia". I've never thought that was the case. Actually, it wasn't until I attended the University of Akron until I even realized that people in Akron had their own identity and they weren't "Clevelanders". Up until that point, I always lumped Akron in as Cleveland. I did the same thing with people from Canton and Youngstown as well.

Having lived in all four cities. They are four distinct areas. But basically my perception has been that Cleveland has it's own identity. Akron does too, but it cloesly resembles that of Cleveland. Youngstown has it's identity, but the area leans more toward Pittsburgh (as in Appalachian ... P.S. Pittsburgh is a city I visited a lot). Canton also leans more toward the Pittsburgh side, but it's more split between Cleveland-Pittsburgh than Youngstown (which leaned way more toward Pittsburgh).

Northwest Ohio
Basically it is Sandusky and Toledo and a bunch of farm towns. Sandusky and Toledo are similar to Cleveland (and Detroit) in that they are industrial and blue, but not an ultra-progressive blue.

The rest of that area is about as red as it can get and resembles rural Indiana.

Central Ohio
I don't know what Central Ohio is exactly. I'll just say it's the Columbus area. It seems like while it isn't as blue as Northeast Ohio, it is the most progressive area. That's because it is highly educated. The Democrats seem to be liberal and the Republicans tend to lean more toward the middle. In shear numbers, it isn't as Democratic as Northeast Ohio, but it is more liberal. Proof of that is to look at by how large a margin Obama won Franklin County over Clinton compared to Cuyahoga (a much more Democratic county).

Of all the regions, this is the one that is hardest to distinguish. Part of it is due to being in the middle and another part of it is due to that it is a newer population center. I will say that it is also the area that lacks the character of the others in Ohio. But it is what it is and it's not a bad thing.

Southwest Ohio
This is the area I have the least knowledge about, but have been there enough to at least give a general idea of the culture. I've always felt that Dayton was much more Democratic than Cincinnati and that it felt more like a Northeast Ohio city. My impression is that it is a lot like Akron, in that it it has it's own identity, but it feels more like Cleveland. Which is weird because it should feel more like Cincinnati. Maybe I'm off on that, but that's what I got.

Cincinnati, however, and this is not a big secret, really seems like a city (region) within itself. Just about everybody I know from Cincinnati distinguishes themselve by which HS they went to. Out of all the areas, it seemed like this is the one that was most likely that you were born into an area and you would live there, have a family there and send your kids to the same school that your father and grandfather attended. I will say, though, that most of the people I have met from Cincy attended Catholic schools. Cleveland is Catholic city, but Cincy is a very Catholic city. Still, the people I have met from there seemed very conservative and set in their ways.

Southeast Ohio
My visits to SE Ohio are mainly Steubenville, Bellaire, Martins Ferry, East LIverpool, etc. ... Northeastern of the SE cities if you would say, but I think that those areas are again much like the Pittsburgh area. In Ohio standards, I would compare those people to those in the Canton area, just a little more rural. I've never really been to SE cities like Portsmouth, Ironton, Chillicothe, etc. to gauge them.

While I have my views on what our state "should" look like, I respect the differences of the regions.

i agree with most of what you said, but i would say that dayton is more n.e. ohio in design, but the people are more cincinnati mixed with the average ohioan. the city of cincinnati is very democratic, but as you said, strong convictions aren't exactly sparse. the suburbs do the majority of the bible thumping, and it's really a shame how they give the city a bad name.

[cincy-girl-dayton-native]

Originally Posted by Hey_Hey

If there's any city Ohio should get rid of it's Cleveland. The only more depressing place I've been to is Detroit. Who knows, maybe Detroit and Cleveland could form a new state all to themselves and try to out-rust each other.

Yeah - hate to admit it, but my days at OU where the Cincy and Cleveland folks would rip on each others towns? I think Cleveland has taken a massive jump ahead. I was downtown for a wedding - Clean, Tons to do, places to eat, live, shop.

The people running Cincy are running it into the ground. All the Cincy money is traveling across the river to Newport & the gambling boats, while a huge mudpit between Great American and Paul Brown Stadium just sits there....

I just went to a bachelorette party with a group of Dayton girls who COMPLETELY bypassed Cincy for Louisville's Fourth Street Live. This would be a great idea for the mud pit, but why make money and improve the city when we can argue about it and prolong the problem?

Cleveland would be glad to get rid of us, and KY probably doesnt want us either.

And dont even get me started on the small minds of the great Cincinnati. Only place in AMERICA can can put Jean Schmidt in Congress!!

[hillside]

Originally Posted by cincy-girl-dayton-native

Yeah - hate to admit it, but my days at OU where the Cincy and Cleveland folks would rip on each others towns? I think Cleveland has taken a massive jump ahead. I was downtown for a wedding - Clean, Tons to do, places to eat, live, shop.

The people running Cincy are running it into the ground. All the Cincy money is traveling across the river to Newport & the gambling boats, while a huge mudpit between Great American and Paul Brown Stadium just sits there....

I just went to a bachelorette party with a group of Dayton girls who COMPLETELY bypassed Cincy for Louisville's Fourth Street Live. This would be a great idea for the mud pit, but why make money and improve the city when we can argue about it and prolong the problem?

Cleveland would be glad to get rid of us, and KY probably doesnt want us either.

And dont even get me started on the small minds of the great Cincinnati. Only place in AMERICA can can put Jean Schmidt in Congress!!

in fairness, the city is moving forward with "the banks" in the mud pit, but your point stays the same; they've been talking about doing it for 20 years. for some odd reason, i think missouri would take us, and cleveland would fit in nicely in jersey .