Should Cincinnati Secede from Ohio? (Columbus, Cleveland: stats, beaches, design)

[Kerby W-R]

It's spelled
secede.

[MiamiU08]

Originally Posted by Kerby W-R

It's spelled
secede.

Truer words have never been spoken, but until a moderator changes it, we're stuck with Cincinnati's "sucession" from Ohio.

[LancasterNative]

Originally Posted by boardmanite

People from Cleveland have a funny accent. They all call me "Taaaaaaam" instead of "Tom". I can't take anyone seriously when they sound so nasal...

LOL! Indeed.

The second-person plural pronoun "youze guyz" still cracks me up. Most everyone I knew up there said it, but it always sounded pretty un-edjemuckated to me

[LancasterNative]

Originally Posted by Kerby W-R

It's spelled
secede.

Haha! True. Yet somehow, I understood the OP's qustion perfectly

[Yac]

Originally Posted by MiamiU08

Truer words have never been spoken, but until a moderator changes it, we're stuck with Cincinnati's "sucession" from Ohio.

How did I miss that ??
Changed
Yac.

[boardmanite]

Originally Posted by MiamiU08

I think you may be confusing Cleveland with Michigan... Clevelanders do have an admittedly nasal "a," but Tom is not the kind of sound a Clevelander would butcher. You would notice it on the word "aunt" or "have" or "mad," where it differs from the duller "aeh" sound that is common in the Midwest. Putting a nasal "a" on "ah" sounds is more prevalent in Michigan, Upstate NY, and SE Canadian dialects, where the names Ian and Anne are nearly indistinguishable. If someone in the area uses that kind of accent, I would bet dollars to cents that they are not native.

Actually many Cleveland natives do have that nasal sound. The "dialect line" runs right through northern Ohio. Youngstown and Akron are south, yet parts of the Cleveland Metro Area are north, and thus have the nasalized "a". From my experience I've found it's strongest on the eastern side of town, in places like Euclid, Mentor, etc. I've got several friends born and raised there that call me "Tahm" instead of "Tawm". But like you said, it's also prevalent in other places around the Great Lakes. My old boss from Rochester, NY had the same accent, as well as my cousins from Wisconsin, or should I say Wiscahnsin...

Here is a link to a Wikipedia article that discusses this "dialect" which socialinguists have termed the "Northern Cities Vowel Shift".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norther...es_vowel_shift

[1watertiger]

ohio should actually be divided into 3 states. the northern third (youngstown,akron,cleveland and toledo). the northern 3rd is more liberal,blue collar and we talk with "accents" . i dont know how anyone could consider cleveland "snooty" except some of the very wealthy eastern burbs. the middle third (columbus) is moderate in general and middle of the road. the bottom third (cincy,dayton) is conservative and as someone said earlier very "special interest minded,bible thumpers" trying to force the rest of us to live the way they see fit. also the accent is because people from cleveland,detroit,chicago etc followed the new england trail and the people who settled in columbus,cincy took the west virgina/mountain trails thus picking up the "drawl " accent you hear from any place but northern ohio. actually ohio is a good cross section of the entire country, that is why presidential hopefuls visit so much. and in closing, someone earlier was correct about us in cleveland. we could give a rats a** about columbus,cincy. cleveland is head and shoulders above the rest of the cities in ohio in terms of shear metro size, culture/diversity, entertainment,commerce/exporting/industry,sports,parks/recreation/great lake,etc,etc...im not saying we dont have our share of problems (schools,crime,poverty) but what city doesnt.? you will not find many metro areas with as much to offer. so in closing i propose cincy stays in ohio and i for one vote for cleveland to secede.

[MiamiU08]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

i dont know how anyone could consider cleveland "snooty"

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

in closing, someone earlier was correct about us in cleveland. we could give a rats a** about columbus,cincy. cleveland is head and shoulders above the rest of the cities in ohio in terms of shear metro size, culture/diversity, entertainment,commerce/exporting/industry,sports,parks/recreation/great lake,etc,etc...

I'll leave that to be pondered by all...

[SCBeaches]

Having grown up in OH, we always considered Toledo to be the "dead city", Cleveland was the "mistake by the lake", and Cinncinnati was the "polluted city". I grew up between Toledo and Bowling Green, but as far as cities go, always preferred Columbus just because it is a college town with many cultural events going on year-round. I still have family living in every city in OH and I'm sure they would disagree with my observations and strongly defend their prospective cities, but hey, everyone is entitled to their opinions.....

Ohio is a beautiful and diverse state and I always appreciated each part of the state for its uniqueness....but never have liked cities and have never lived in one. I think the small towns and rural communities give a state its true personality, not the cities.

[LancasterNative]

Originally Posted by SCBeaches

I think the small towns and rural communities give a state its true personality, not the cities.

Amen!! I agree 1,000% and couldn't have said it better myself