Should Cincinnati Secede from Ohio? (Toledo, Lancaster: homes, university, retire)

[SCBeaches]

Thank you, Lancaster Native!

[boardmanite]

Originally Posted by SCBeaches

I think the small towns and rural communities give a state its true personality, not the cities.

I disagree. Ohio gets a lot of its character from its cities. Without them we'd be indistinguishable from North Dakota.

[Subway]

Originally Posted by YoMikey617

3. When you get down to it, with the exception of metro Cleveland, Cincinnat is just as hillbillyville as the rest of Ohio.

I don't know about that. If you look at education attainment levels, Cleveland is the place that appears to be 'hillbillyville' when compared to Cincinnati and Columbus. According to City Data, the percentage of residents age 25+ with a bachelor's degree or higher is 29.0% in Columbus, 26.6% in Cincinnati and only 11.3% in Cleveland. Furthermore, the percentage with a graduate or professional degree is 10.3% in Cincinnati, 9.2% in Columbus and 3.8% in Cleveland.

If you take a broader look by comparing the respective counties, the disparities are not as great, but Cleveland is still the least educated of Ohio's three major cities. The percentage with a bachelor's degree or higher is 31.8% Franklin County (Columbus), 29.2% in Hamilton County (Cincinnati) and 25.1% in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland). http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/39000.html

Above all else, can you get any more hillbilly than nicknaming your football team "The DAWGS" as they did in my hometown of Cleveland!?

[Subway]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

cleveland is head and shoulders above the rest of the cities in ohio in terms of shear metro size

False! As of July 1, 2006, the population of the Cleveland metro area was 2,114,155 and shrinking. The population of the Cincinnati metro area was 2,104,218 and growing. http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...b07-51tbl2.pdf When the population figures for July 1, 2007 are released by the Census Bureau in April 2008, there is little doubt that metro Cincinnati will be ahead of metro Cleveland for the first time; in recent years, metro Cincinnati has been experiencing a net gain of about 15,000 residents per year whereas metro Cleveland has been experiencing a net loss of about 10,000 residents per year.

[MiamiU08]

Originally Posted by Subway

Above all else, can you get any more hillbilly than nicknaming your football team "The DAWGS" as they did in my hometown of Cleveland!?

I don't think that qualifies as hillbilly. If we nicknamed them "the varmints" or "the roadkill aka dinner" it may be toe over the line. Anyways, The Dawgs is a great way to remember the intensity of the '85 Browns teams in attacking their opponent's quarterback ("The Cat").

HERE WE GO, BROWNIES!!! HERE WE GO!! WOOF WOOF

[1watertiger]

subway. you can look at many stats many ways. example; "msa" and "csa" stats for cincy are both around 2.1 mil. they include 15 counties and many cities/towns that are truely "disconnected" from your core metro. there is talk of possible merger and connectivity to dayton as your metro grows. cleveland "msa" is 2.1 mil. and incudes 7 counties. and the cleveland "csa" 2.9 mil.(includes akron because our south/south east suburbs ALREADY push into akrons north burbs, especially along route 8) lists 2.9 i feel the true way to report our metro is the "csa" with 2.9 mil. our csa is a true connected area of urban and suburban cities. actually columbus benifits most most by the csa and msa stats (1.9 mil) because to me it includes many rural and disconnected cities and towns MILES from the true metro (ie- marion ,*****way etc.) and for the record, cuyahoga county is by far the most populated 1.4 mil compared to hamilton counties 850,000. when you travel by plane or car it is easy to see the differance in the 3 metros. cleveland #1, cincy #2 and columbus a very distant 3rd.

[Subway]

1watertiger,

As defined by the U.S. Office of Mangement and Budget, MSA is the only official way to define a metropolitan area. CSA's are combinations of adjacent MSA's that have moderate (not strong) social and economic ties. However, as stated here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Statistical_Areas), the use of CSAs as a representation for a single metropolitan area is rarely appropriate...the areas that combine retain their own designations as metropolitan or micropolitan statistical areas within the larger combined statistical area.

It may be your opinion that the Akron MSA should be part of the Cleveland MSA, but the fact is that it's not, which makes your statement ("Cleveland is head and shoulders above the rest of the cities in ohio in terms of shear metro size") false.

As an aside, I, as a native Clevelander, have always found it ironic that most Clevelanders do not want to be associated with Akron in any way except when it comes to tallying up the population of the metro area. Growing up in Cleveland, I still remember all of the derogatory references to Akron as "the capital of West Virginia."

[1watertiger]

i do believe combining cleveland and akron as one msa is the correct way. and i agree that its usually rare to do so regarding two CSAs. i guess my flights at night into or out of hopkins convinced me of this. the two cities lights just blur together. actually(to my surprise also) , i was amazed by how large greater cleveland looks at night from a plane compared to most cities. people tend to think cleveland has somehow "shrunk" because of its population loss in the actual city and inner-ring suburbs. and believe me i know how cleveland has bled 500,000 people in the last 50 yrs. but our urban sprawl has never stopped and greater cleveland has almost stopped its population loss.. cleveland was hit hard as a industrial giant and its taken a long time to re-tool.. but i see the change happening ,and soon everyone will also know cleveland as a world leader in the medical, bio-medical , research and related nano tech. fields !

[Subway]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

greater cleveland has almost stopped its population loss

Actually, metro Cleveland's population loss has increased from about 3,000 per year at the beginning of this decade to about 11,000 per year more recently. http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...b07-51tbl2.pdf I believe that there was a period during the 1990's when metro Cleveland was actually gaining population, but it stopped around 1997 and the population losses have been increasing ever since.

[cincyUK]

Originally Posted by boardmanite

I disagree. Ohio gets a lot of its character from its cities.

If that's true, Cincinnati is not one of the cities that gives OH character. The town's cultural influence flow from the blue grass region in which it resides, and I've not seen these influences carry farther north than I-275.