05-15-2009, 01:22 PM
Location: Cleveland, OH
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^^ I agree with just about everything you say.
05-15-2009, 01:40 PM
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As an Ohio native who no longer lives there I think you make some good points, but there are a couple things I would have to disagree with: 1. Cleveland has plenty of non-chain restaurants to choose from. Yes, if you stay in the burbs you will be surrounded by an abundance of generic chain places, but Cleveland's neighborhoods and inner suburbs have a good amount of mom & pop and ethnic restaurants to choose from.
Cleveland Independents - Independent, locally-owned restaurants in Cleveland and Northeast Ohio
05-15-2009, 01:51 PM
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Cleveland Independents is just the tip of the iceberg. If non-generic things are important to you, then living in Stow is certainly the wrong place to be. You could live in an exurb of any large city and have the same complaints. I have been to many other cities and have felt there are few that give you a more unique experience than Cleveland. Places like Atlanta, Houston, and Charlotte feel especially "generic" to me. As I've said, to each his own, and there will always be things some people like about any area that others don't and vice versa, but I would hardly call living in Northeast Ohio "generic" (of course unless you're in a boring exurb, which will be generic anywhere).
05-15-2009, 01:58 PM
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Thanks for the link and it's interesting because some of my favorite places are even on the list! (Angelo's Nido Italia, Bo Loong, Etna, #1 Pho, La Strada...)
That just even proves my point more. But great link, I need to try a few of these places now!
05-15-2009, 02:55 PM
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Cleveland Independents is just the tip of the iceberg. If non-generic things are important to you, then living in Stow is certainly the wrong place to be. You could live in an exurb of any large city and have the same complaints. I have been to many other cities and have felt there are few that give you a more unique experience than Cleveland. Places like Atlanta, Houston, and Charlotte feel especially "generic" to me. As I've said, to each his own, and there will always be things some people like about any area that others don't and vice versa, but I would hardly call living in Northeast Ohio "generic" (of course unless you're in a boring exurb, which will be generic anywhere).
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to start a Stow vs. Cleveland debate. Overall I've found most places that are smaller family owned places are for the most part not that good. Take Crooked River Grill - Used to be a nice family place but has gone downhill to the point that the food and especially service is horrible. Paragons - same thing. In Stow I'm left with Moe's, Applebees, TGI Fridays - All places I try to avoid. Don's cafe in Stow is the only good one left!
Atlanta and Houston (BTW I used to live in Houston) are so damn big that you can basically find whatever you wanted down there. Some nice Italian, a nice park, some nice BBQ, a good concert - You can live your lifestyle and still be happy. Where are those things in Cleveland? When I ask about Italian restaurants around here, 99 percent of the people will say "Oh, there's an Olive Garden right down there"! Where is the good nightlife nowadays? There's a reason that the best parts of the Flats from the Mid-90s are in a landfill somewhere.
Also, someone mentioned the Rock Hall and the Science Center - which are nice places, but honestly how often can you go to those? Once a year? Once every two years? Try taking your family ever other weekend to the Rock Hall. You'll be broke and your family will hate you!
05-15-2009, 03:09 PM
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Some move out and some move in ---That would be in each and every state. Were all trying to find eden. But you know where that eden is ? Its family and friends .
05-15-2009, 03:36 PM
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Oh yeah, don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to start a Stow vs. Cleveland debate. Overall I've found most places that are smaller family owned places are for the most part not that good. Take Crooked River Grill - Used to be a nice family place but has gone downhill to the point that the food and especially service is horrible. Paragons - same thing. In Stow I'm left with Moe's, Applebees, TGI Fridays - All places I try to avoid. Don's cafe in Stow is the only good one left!
Head up to Cleveland and try out some places in Little Italy, Tremont, Ohio City, Downtown, Lakewood, the Heights...among others. I'm confused if you don't think you can find good restaurants in Northeast Ohio, although maybe you don't get out of Stow much? I agree that Stow is about as lame as it gets and many of the people that live there have a lame mentality to go along with it. Some of my Akron friends call the locals Stowbillies LOL. Downtown Cleveland has about as many bars and restaurants as any other metro area of its size, plus all the sporting events. You bring up the downfall of the flats (which is slated for redevelopment) but the fact is Cleveland's downtown nightlife is in the Warehouse District and E. 4th Street Area. There are also good neighborhood bars on the west side. Actually, even Akron's downtown nightlife has seemed to have improved in recent years.
05-15-2009, 06:07 PM
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Oh yeah, don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to start a Stow vs. Cleveland debate. Overall I've found most places that are smaller family owned places are for the most part not that good. Take Crooked River Grill - Used to be a nice family place but has gone downhill to the point that the food and especially service is horrible. Paragons - same thing. In Stow I'm left with Moe's, Applebees, TGI Fridays - All places I try to avoid. Don's cafe in Stow is the only good one left!
Nice Italian? Little Italy has tons of authentic Italian restaurants.
Nice Parks? Shaker Lakes, Rockefeller Park, Botanical Gardens, etc.
Good concerts? Every year top artists come to TCA and The Q.
Nice BBQ? Okay, I'll pass on that one since I don't know. Hot Sauce Williams, maybe?
BTW #1: Atlanta has Moe's everywhere.
BTW #2: I agree with you about the Rock Hall and Science Center, not a big draw for locals.
05-15-2009, 07:28 PM
Location: Columbia, SC
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Where are those things in Cleveland? When I ask about Italian restaurants around here, 99 percent of the people will say "Oh, there's an Olive Garden right down there"!
I don't really have an opinion one way or the other in this debate, but just wanted to let you know that reading the line about people saying there's an Olive Garden when asked about an Italian restaurant cracked me up!
05-15-2009, 07:49 PM
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I don't really have an opinion one way or the other in this debate, but just wanted to let you know that reading the line about people saying there's an Olive Garden when asked about an Italian restaurant cracked me up!
Ah, you must be Italian.
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Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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