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View Poll Results: Who are you voting for in the 2016 general election?
Hillary Clinton 40 43.48%
Donald Trump 34 36.96%
Gary Johnson 9 9.78%
Jill Stein 3 3.26%
Other 6 6.52%
Voters: 92. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-07-2016, 02:01 PM
 
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Yes, what we need is creating more hostile work places for women and condoning the sexual harassment of women, just like in the olden days when Clint was (or was NOT) growing up.

The Trump-Ailes Nexus -- the killing of the Republican Party?

Did you ever hear of Sondra Locke?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sondra_Locke
...or having the most qualified woman running for President, told to take a backseat to the inexperienced yet well spoken ''black'' man, while at the same time being labelled with the standard female stereotypes.

How can anyone use the phrase ''sexual harassment of women'' with the Clintons unless, of course, it is describing parties involved directly in the act and cover-up sexual harassment, assault, and rape.

Bonnie & Clyde Clinton need to drop any reference as being champions of women, as should the DNC.
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Old 08-07-2016, 02:59 PM
 
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...or having the most qualified woman running for President, told to take a backseat to the inexperienced yet well spoken ''black'' man, while at the same time being labelled with the standard female stereotypes.
Once again, one of your race-obsessed posts tries to make some muddled point that I don't have any desire to decipher.

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How can anyone use the phrase ''sexual harassment of women'' with the Clintons unless, of course, it is describing parties involved directly in the act and cover-up sexual harassment, assault, and rape.

Bonnie & Clyde Clinton need to drop any reference as being champions of women, as should the DNC.
I'm not a fan of Bill Clinton, especially his affair with intern Monica Lewinski, but Hillary is more akin to Gloria Steinem, especially compared to Trump, when women's rights and non-hostile workplaces are the policy issues.

Did you forget Trump's disgusting (I wouldn't be surprised you thought they were funny) menstrual jokes about Megyn Kelly?

Trump draws outrage after Megyn Kelly remarks - CNNPolitics.com

Or Trump's support of his "buddy" Roger Ailes, despite charges by scores of women about his efforts to receive sexual favors from them in exchange for work opportunities over several decades, including teenagers and married women, and sabotaging their careers when they refused his advances.

Kellie Boyle Claims Roger Ailes Sexually Harassed Her, And Retaliated - Fortune

Or Trump's business career of objectifying women in beauty pageants, which he claimed as evidence of foreign policy chomps.

Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump cited Miss Universe pageant as evidence of foreign policy chops | PolitiFact

Only you would argue that women interested in non-hostile workplaces and women's rights, including abortion rights, would confuse Trump with Hillary Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/us...tion.html?_r=0
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Old 08-07-2016, 08:07 PM
 
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Once again, one of your race-obsessed posts tries to make some muddled point that I don't have any desire to decipher.



I'm not a fan of Bill Clinton, especially his affair with intern Monica Lewinski, but Hillary is more akin to Gloria Steinem, especially compared to Trump, when women's rights and non-hostile workplaces are the policy issues.

Did you forget Trump's disgusting (I wouldn't be surprised you thought they were funny) menstrual jokes about Megyn Kelly?

Trump draws outrage after Megyn Kelly remarks - CNNPolitics.com

Or Trump's support of his "buddy" Roger Ailes, despite charges by scores of women about his efforts to receive sexual favors from them in exchange for work opportunities over several decades, including teenagers and married women, and sabotaging their careers when they refused his advances.

Kellie Boyle Claims Roger Ailes Sexually Harassed Her, And Retaliated - Fortune

Or Trump's business career of objectifying women in beauty pageants, which he claimed as evidence of foreign policy chomps.

Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump cited Miss Universe pageant as evidence of foreign policy chops | PolitiFact

Only you would argue that women interested in non-hostile workplaces and women's rights, including abortion rights, would confuse Trump with Hillary Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/us...tion.html?_r=0
What you call ''race obsessed'', I call facts. The whole country is race obsessed; haven't you seen the news, especially lately? Racist here, racist there...btw, race had everything to do with Barry, I mean, Barack Obama's 2008 election. With no experience as a U.S. Senator, premised on Chicago-style shady tactics, with an otherwise lackluster record, with no real job, a white candidate wouldn't even have thought to run. I guess Obama's inspirational 2004 DNC speech made up for no experience and record. Poor Hillary gets the consolation prize of Secy of State and a pass until 2016...the party of women...lol.

You sure seem to have forgotten Bonnie & Clyde Clinton's history with sexual harassment or what George Stephanopoulos called ''the bimbo explosions'' during his time with the Clintons. Bonnie Clinton cannot bring up any rumors about Trump and harassment given her smearing tactics on Clyde's victims. Hell, Clyde Clinton even got himself impeached as a result of his and Bonnie Clinton's cover-up, perjury laced scandal.

You compare Trump to Bonnie & Clyde Clinton's sexual harassment, rape, and cover-up/smear campaigns? Clinton's campaign needs to drop this topic ASAP.

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Old 08-07-2016, 11:32 PM
 
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What you call ''race obsessed'', I call facts. The whole country is race obsessed; haven't you seen the news, especially lately? Racist here, racist there...btw, race had everything to do with Barry, I mean, Barack Obama's 2008 election. With no experience as a U.S. Senator, premised on Chicago-style shady tactics, with an otherwise lackluster record, with no real job, a white candidate wouldn't even have thought to run. I guess Obama's inspirational 2004 DNC speech made up for no experience and record. Poor Hillary gets the consolation prize of Secy of State and a pass until 2016...the party of women...lol.

You sure seem to have forgotten Bonnie & Clyde Clinton's history with sexual harassment or what George Stephanopoulos called ''the bimbo explosions'' during his time with the Clintons. Bonnie Clinton cannot bring up any rumors about Trump and harassment given her smearing tactics on Clyde's victims. Hell, Clyde Clinton even got himself impeached as a result of his and Bonnie Clinton's cover-up, perjury laced scandal.

You compare Trump to Bonnie & Clyde Clinton's sexual harassment, rape, and cover-up/smear campaigns? Clinton's campaign needs to drop this topic ASAP.
I said your posts are often race-obsessed, an obvious observation.

E.g., never before in my life have I seen a discussion of "white Barry" when discussing Barrack Obama. See post 1147 here:

Melania Trump Basically Copies a 2008 Michelle Obama Speech at the RNC

Your propaganda, such as your "Bonnie & Clyde" reference, is so excessive as to be deranged IMO.

The bottom line, however, is that a large majority of women know that Hillary Clinton is more sensitive and responsive than Donald Trump to issues impacting the lives of women, including sexually hostile workplaces, workplace sexual harassment, and abortion rights. E.g., poor mothers worried about adequate healthcare for their children owe a debt of gratitude to Hillary Clinton.

http://www.politifact.com/colorado/s...sanders-claim/

It's also amazing to me that you attack the qualifications of Barrack Obama to be President, despite his service in the Illinois legislature and the U.S. Senate, but back Donald Trump, the most inexperienced and likely most ignorant Presidential candidate in history.

How many Trump backers base their support on his well documented insensitivity if not hostility to minorities, especially Muslims and Mexicans?
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Old 08-08-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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Default Clinton opens 23-point lead among women

<<Clinton has improved notably since mid-July among college-educated white women, a critical group in this election; she now leads Trump by 19 points among them, 57-38 percent, after roughly an even split last month. Largely because of that shift, Clinton now holds a wide 58-35 percent lead among women overall (her highest support among women to date), while Trump is +10 among men. And, again given college-educated women, she leads Trump by 6 points among college-educated whites overall, a group Democrats never have won in exit polls dating to 1976.>>

Clinton Opens 23-Point Lead Among Women, Gains With Democrats as Trump Struggles (POLL) - ABC News

What are Trump's core support groups?

<<
Things could be worse for Trump, given his difficult post-convention days. Heís buttressed by factors including his big lead among non-college white men, 67-25 percent vs. Clinton, and the strong pull of ideology, with a 73-21 percent Trump lead among conservatives. Heís also up by a vast 76-18 percent among evangelical white Protestants, a core GOP group, and has improved from July among non-evangelical white Protestants, to 55-38 percent, Trump-Clinton.
One way to look at preferences is in profile: Fifty-six percent of Trump's supporters are whites who donít have a college degree, vs. just 26 percent of Clinton's. Indeed 87 percent of Trumpís supporters are whites (regardless of education), vs. 56 percent of Clintonís.>>


IF Clinton and the Democrats can establish that their policies are more pro-job than Trump's policies, Clinton could turn this race into a massive rout. This should be an easy task given that Trump's economic policies are based on massive tax cuts for the wealthy and for corporations, with little in the way of workable trade policies despite all of his bluster.


However, Clinton and the Democrats seem tone deaf on immigration issues and also haven't embraced tax reforms (such as a value-added tax advocated both my leading Republican and Democratic economists) needed to level the competitive field with our competitors.


The problem is that the Republicans won't increase taxes, and like Trump, are more than willing to borrow the nation into oblivion. This is a core change in Republican values that has taken place since 1980, raised to the point of ridiculousness under George W. Bush, who implemented large tax cuts while engaging in costly wars in the Middle East, eventually turning cash budget surpluses into trillion dollar deficits.


Trump's tax-and-spend policies are like George W. policies on steroids. Clinton likely will be able to demolish these plans, even though she's unlikely to propose good policies of her own. If the Republicans actually implemented the Trump proposals, a very questionable proposition, the dollar and the U.S. economy might suffer an implosion that makes the recent Great Recession look like a boom time.



The problem is that the Democrats are petrified of unilateral tax reform because of the Republican Party's willingness to put their own partisan interests, especially those of their wealthy benefactors, over the needs of the nation. The Republicans certainly would bash any new tax plan, backed by hundreds of billions from SuperPacs funded by billionaires such as the Koch brothers.
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Old 08-08-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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I said your posts are often race-obsessed, an obvious observation.

E.g., never before in my life have I seen a discussion of "white Barry" when discussing Barrack Obama. See post 1147 here:

Melania Trump Basically Copies a 2008 Michelle Obama Speech at the RNC

Your propaganda, such as your "Bonnie & Clyde" reference, is so excessive as to be deranged IMO.

The bottom line, however, is that a large majority of women know that Hillary Clinton is more sensitive and responsive than Donald Trump to issues impacting the lives of women, including sexually hostile workplaces, workplace sexual harassment, and abortion rights. E.g., poor mothers worried about adequate healthcare for their children owe a debt of gratitude to Hillary Clinton.

Did Hillary Clinton win health care for 8 million children as first lady? | PolitiFact Colorado

It's also amazing to me that you attack the qualifications of Barrack Obama to be President, despite his service in the Illinois legislature and the U.S. Senate, but back Donald Trump, the most inexperienced and likely most ignorant Presidential candidate in history.

How many Trump backers base their support on his well documented insensitivity if not hostility to minorities, especially Muslims and Mexicans?
Sorry you can't handle facts that when Barack Obama lived in the ''white-world'' he was Barry Obama. When he hooked-up with politically connected Michelle Robinson, he was officially Barack Obama. Experience in the U.S. Senate? Sworn-in office January 2005, running for U.S. President in 2007. One-third of a term as a freshman senator and it's off to the White House.

Obama has set the low-bar for Presidential qualifications so that issue is moot with any other contender. Also, to have your life mentor railing against and damning America and then lying his way out of it is pure media manipulation; he's black, you can't challenge much here or the race card will be dealt quickly. It's also impossible for any politician to come out of the Chicago system clean.

Bonnie & Clyde Clinton is an appropriate name for those two and as far back as the 1970s they ran a sexually hostile workplace, so yes, they should know first-hand about this issue.

Keep up the Mexican, Muslim, and anti-immigrant propaganda as the DNC must focus on anything other than Hillary's record and personal issues.

The Democrats and Obama have to do anything to derail a Trump victory as Obama's reputation and legacy is on the line: Bush-Obame-Trump? lol.
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Old 08-08-2016, 09:11 AM
 
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Obama has set the low-bar for Presidential qualifications so that issue is moot with any other contender.


Obama was a former editor of the Harvard Law Review (a prestigious position that indicates substantial intellectual capacity), a former Illinois state senator, and a former U.S. Senator before being elected President.

Trump supporters somehow equate Trump's absence of any relevant experiences as comparable?

Dumb. Just very, very dumb.

Trump supporters ignore his barrelful of gaffes (Russia hasn't invaded the Ukraine, paying off the national debt in eight years, apparent total ignorance about a Purple Heart, and many more), instead trumpeting (pun intended) his business acumen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...9da_story.html

Really?

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Also, to have your life mentor railing against and damning America and then lying his way out of it is pure media manipulation; he's black, you can't challenge much here or the race card will be dealt quickly. It's also impossible for any politician to come out of the Chicago system clean.
More racist rant IMO.

Trump is clean despite his reliance on financing from Russian oligarchs, according to his son, his several corporate bankruptcies, and his reputation for stiffing contractors?

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Bonnie & Clyde Clinton is an appropriate name for those two and as far back as the 1970s they ran a sexually hostile workplace, so yes, they should know first-hand about this issue.
Again IMO deranged. When did the Clintons ride around shooting persons with machine guns?
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Old 08-08-2016, 12:17 PM
 
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Once again, one of your race-obsessed posts tries to make some muddled point that I don't have any desire to decipher.



I'm not a fan of Bill Clinton, especially his affair with intern Monica Lewinski, but Hillary is more akin to Gloria Steinem, especially compared to Trump, when women's rights and non-hostile workplaces are the policy issues.

Did you forget Trump's disgusting (I wouldn't be surprised you thought they were funny) menstrual jokes about Megyn Kelly?

Trump draws outrage after Megyn Kelly remarks - CNNPolitics.com

Or Trump's support of his "buddy" Roger Ailes, despite charges by scores of women about his efforts to receive sexual favors from them in exchange for work opportunities over several decades, including teenagers and married women, and sabotaging their careers when they refused his advances.

Kellie Boyle Claims Roger Ailes Sexually Harassed Her, And Retaliated - Fortune

Or Trump's business career of objectifying women in beauty pageants, which he claimed as evidence of foreign policy chomps.

Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump cited Miss Universe pageant as evidence of foreign policy chops | PolitiFact

Only you would argue that women interested in non-hostile workplaces and women's rights, including abortion rights, would confuse Trump with Hillary Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/us...tion.html?_r=0

Or how about his weird behavior with his own daughter, including the time he said he would date her if she wasn't his daughter, or how he practically groped her at the convention.
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Old 08-08-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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Obama was a former editor of the Harvard Law Review (a prestigious position that indicates substantial intellectual capacity), a former Illinois state senator, and a former U.S. Senator before being elected President.

Trump supporters somehow equate Trump's absence of any relevant experiences as comparable?

Dumb. Just very, very dumb.

Trump supporters ignore his barrelful of gaffes (Russia hasn't invaded the Ukraine, paying off the national debt in eight years, apparent total ignorance about a Purple Heart, and many more), instead trumpeting (pun intended) his business acumen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...9da_story.html

Really?

More racist rant IMO.

Trump is clean despite his reliance on financing from Russian oligarchs, according to his son, his several corporate bankruptcies, and his reputation for stiffing contractors?


Again IMO deranged. When did the Clintons ride around shooting persons with machine guns?
Not sure why you're even bothering anymore. Trump supporters have to be the most intellectually vapid, disingenuous and bigoted people in America. There is literally nothing he could do that would change their view and no amount of facts or links are going to make them be decent human beings. I think your best best is to keep posting the information and hopefully that will at least sway some of the moderates and indepedent voters.
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Old 08-08-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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Obama was a former editor of the Harvard Law Review (a prestigious position that indicates substantial intellectual capacity), a former Illinois state senator, and a former U.S. Senator before being elected President.

Trump supporters somehow equate Trump's absence of any relevant experiences as comparable?

Dumb. Just very, very dumb.

Trump supporters ignore his barrelful of gaffes (Russia hasn't invaded the Ukraine, paying off the national debt in eight years, apparent total ignorance about a Purple Heart, and many more), instead trumpeting (pun intended) his business acumen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...9da_story.html

Really?



More racist rant IMO.

Trump is clean despite his reliance on financing from Russian oligarchs, according to his son, his several corporate bankruptcies, and his reputation for stiffing contractors?



Again IMO deranged. When did the Clintons ride around shooting persons with machine guns?
Got it. Being on Law Review is considered to be a qualification for the Presidency of the U.S., Obama was a lackluster state rep and a freshman U.S. Senator spending his time running for President.

Of course the racist rant adjective is used when the truth is stated. You obviously don't know Chicago politics. Years of listening to Rev Wright trained Obama well in the inspirational pulpit he used in 2008 to dupe America with that Hope & Change b.s. I will say that Obama sure can give an inspirational speech.

And what a message to the world when Obama cried while listening to Aretha Franklin singing ''You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman''....yep, America's new leadership at its best. Who wants for more years of this? Hillary definitely is tougher than Barry Obama, for sure.

Bonne & Clyde and Bonnie & Clyde Clinton are all crooks and criminals. You don't have to have or use a gun to be a criminal; the only thing the Clintons don't have is a gun. Otherwise, not much difference.
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