Which of Oh's largest cities has the best public transportation? (Cleveland: organic, live in)

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by motorman

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The Plain Dealer's front page for February 20, 2017 | cleveland.com

Again, your obsession with Cleveland is bizarre, especially since you have no connection to the city and have never even been to Cleveland.

Your analogy headline from the Plain Dealer is another one of your sad, mispleading posts. E 93rd & Union is hardly analogous to CIN's downtown-OTR area with its $150 million streetcar. A more appropriate comparison is Chicago's Englewood neighborhood, where no one goes.

Sorry to hear that the few suburban streetcar riders may have had to duck at 12:50 pm on Saturday to avoid being hit by gunfire while another early morning shooting occurred even closer to the streetcar yet within the hot OTR area.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by motorman

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The Plain Dealer's front page for February 20, 2017 | cleveland.com

Again, don't be so upset because CLE has the best transit system in OH and before you throw crime rocks at at it, consider placing bullet proof windows on your streetcars.

[InternationalWaves]

So considering the trains in Cleveland,would y'all consider Cleveland to be the most urban of the 3 cities due to that. Considering street grids plus city core walkable centers and walkable urban districts.
Cincinnati looks pretty urban as far as those pics goes,but is it like that in a fair amount of the city sections?
Can we also throw Dayton and Toledo into the equation.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by InternationalWaves

So considering the trains in Cleveland,would y'all consider Cleveland to be the most urban of the 3 cities due to that. Considering street grids plus city core walkable centers and walkable urban districts.
Cincinnati looks pretty urban as far as those pics goes,but is it like that in a fair amount of the city sections?
Can we also throw Dayton and Toledo into the equation.

"Urbanity" is a pretty broad term and is argued incessantly on certain parts of this website (especially the City vs City forum), but both Cleveland and its suburbs are the most dense areas in Ohio, and seems to have the most oerall infrastructure.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by InternationalWaves

So considering the trains in Cleveland,would y'all consider Cleveland to be the most urban of the 3 cities due to that. Considering street grids plus city core walkable centers and walkable urban districts.
Cincinnati looks pretty urban as far as those pics goes,but is it like that in a fair amount of the city sections?
Can we also throw Dayton and Toledo into the equation.

Climbing Cleveland: Photographer risks everything to get the ultimate shot | fox8.com

https://youtu.be/91U24EbV-c8

Couple of cool videos of downtown Cleveland; the 1st is the building climber guy and 2nd is the Cavs Championship parade.

[InternationalWaves]

Originally Posted by Natural510

"Urbanity" is a pretty broad term and is argued incessantly on certain parts of this website (especially the City vs City forum), but both Cleveland and its suburbs are the most dense areas in Ohio, and seems to have the most oerall infrastructure.

Reason why I specified urban as of in "walkable" type. That's why I included even smaller cities with possible city core centers albeit being small.
Urban density vs population density are two other contested and debatable methods of measurement.

However I do get where you coming from and would judge more on a dense infrastructure built for growth from the get go rather than how certain younger cities are built-up usually in like a big sprawling suburban type of way. Not trying to actually imply that one thing is better than the other either! Just clarifying the difference.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by InternationalWaves

Reason why I specified urban as of in "walkable" type. That's why I included even smaller cities with possible city core centers albeit being small.
Urban density vs population density are two other contested and debatable methods of measurement.

However I do get where you coming from and would judge more on a dense infrastructure built for growth from the get go rather than how certain younger cities are built-up usually in like a big sprawling suburban type of way. Not trying to actually imply that one thing is better than the other either! Just clarifying the difference.

Ah okay, I see now. Yes there are plenty of walkable neighborhoods in Cleveland, as well as inner suburbs such as Lakewood and University Heights. Cincy has their fair share of walkable neighborhoods as well, but there's not as much "there" there.

[Coseau]

Originally Posted by InternationalWaves

So considering the trains in Cleveland,would y'all consider Cleveland to be the most urban of the 3 cities due to that. Considering street grids plus city core walkable centers and walkable urban districts.
Cincinnati looks pretty urban as far as those pics goes,but is it like that in a fair amount of the city sections?
Can we also throw Dayton and Toledo into the equation.

Here goes 14 different distinct sections Cincinnati that are urban or have walkable urban districts. The vast majority of Cincy neighborhoods have walkable districts because they all were developed before the automobile era.

Corryville, Cincinnati

Walnut Hills, Cincinnati.

Corryville, Cincinnati

Oakley, Cincinnati.

Oakley, Cincinnati.

Clifton, Cincinnati.

Clifton, Cincinnati.



O'Bryonville, Cincinnati.


Northside, Cincinnati

Hyde Park, Cincinnati.

Hyde Park, Cincinnati.

East Walnut Hills, Cincinnati.

East Walnut Hills, Cincinnati.

Pike, Covington

Northside, Cincinnati.

Mainstrause, Covington.

Mount Adams, Cincinnati.

Mount Adams, Cincinnati.

Mount Lookout, Cincinnati.

Mount Lookout, Cincinnati.

Camp Washington, Cincinnati.

Cincy suburb Reading

Cincy suburb Reading

Northside, Cincinnati.

[WRnative]

Cleveland IMO is modular, with many of the modules connected by robust mass transit options, most notably the Market District around the West Side Market, downtown (with free bus trolleys), and University Circle. Each of these modules are walkable, but the walkability of the entire city is enhanced by the mass transit system.

[bjimmy24]

Not many pedestrians in those walkable areas of Cincinnati by those pictures...