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Old 11-26-2018, 05:04 AM
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Bull kaka!!!!!

The only farmers who "aren't too keen" are the farmers who got outsmarted by their neighbors.
If I wanted to, I could put you in touch with a few farmers there who beg to differ about the tradeoff, but I suspect you won't believe them either.

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8K per year per turbine x 40-50 or more turbines = a hell of a lot of hay


https://www.landmarkdividend.com/win...e-lease-rates/
They're not building them so densely there that you get a bunch of them in the same field. Most fields I've seen there have 1 turbine, plus a few acres of right-of-way that they need to build a driveway to service the turbine. The lease for those acres is 50+ years. That reduces the options for the current farmer and at least one more generation of farmers on what they can do with that acreage, and probably the rest of the land. Walmart isn't going to locate a store in a field with a turbine.
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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henry10, a C-D participant, shared this article/study with us yesterday on a Florida topic thread, and I wanted to share it with all of you on the Ohio topic thread.

I had no idea just how bad Ohio was on the environment. Ohio ranks 3rd from last. Florida's #1.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...al-environment

No wonder we are seeing an ever-increasing number of Ohio license plates down here in Florida...plus of course better weather, and lower tax load.

When the Two gigantic Ethane Crackers fire up, Ohio's going to get worse. Ohio also has a very long list of Superfund sites.

I realize all this polluting means jobs, but at what cost? Is it worth it? Why not diversify Ohio's economy to include E-friendly jobs?
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Ohio's in the process of building 2 MASSIVE Ethane Cracker plants. The Ohio EPA recently held a public forum to take comments from Ohioans, and the hall was mostly empty as you can see in the pic below:

https://www.wtrf.com/community/ohio-...ant/1623227125

Also, take a look what just happened in China when an Ethane transporting truck blew up killing 22 people:

22 dead in blast outside northern China chemical plant | Boston Herald

Your Ohio EPA is also soliciting written opinions, so you can write to them at the address shown near the bottom of the article in the 1st link. Please write, and please attend any future meetings. The jobs are not worth the destruction, or the potential for environmental catastrophe.
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Old 12-04-2018, 05:57 PM
 
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Also, take a look what just happened in China when an Ethane transporting truck blew up killing 22 people:

22 dead in blast outside northern China chemical plant | Boston Herald
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And, what does a truck crash in China have to do with Ohio?
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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And, what does a truck crash in China have to do with Ohio?
Glad you asked. Ohio's building 2 Ethane Cracker plants along the Ohio River. Ehtane is many times more dangerous to the environment than normal natural gas, and more flammable and unstable. Producting and transporting it safely is very difficult to do. The truck explosion in China illustrates just how difficult it can be, and what happens when something goes wrong. That truck in China was transporting Ethane, the same product Ohio is trying to produce in massive quantities.

I'm trying to create awareness for the danhers of Ethane production in your state. The Ohio EPA held a open forum recently to measure public sentiment, and the hall was mostly empty.

Ohio ranks 47th by US News and World Reports on the environment, and these Ethane Cracker plants are a major step in the wrong direction. Please attend the next open forum held by the Ohio EPA, or write to them as they have solicited for written opinins too, but you must act soon. The 1st plant is already under construction, and the 2nd plant is imminent.
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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What are your thought on Frances huge fuel tax hikes causing massive riots? The article explains the tie-in to the US, and since Ohio is a large fossil fuel producing state, this seems relevant to Ohio.

If the US Gov't taxes fossil fuels' output (CO2 emmissions), less will be consumed, and that hurts Ohio. Did you know Marathon Oil is based in Ohio? There are 2,300+ fracking wells in Ohio? 2 Oil refineries? 1 Ethane Cracker plant underway with a 2nd one pending Ohio EPA approval?

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...h-13443080.php

Is the harm to the economy worth the added commerce and jobs? Should the US Gov't impose carbon emission taxes even though it could harm Ohio's employment and economy? Read this brief article...the local politicians seem ecstatic about the Ethane Crackers tax revenues:

https://www.wtrf.com/news/ohio-headl...nty/1490923123

Or, do you agree as the article cites as an obstacle to implementing a carbon tax here...that American's just don't care?

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Old 12-12-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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When the sea levels rise, I can see areas around the Great Lakes, like Cleveland, becoming submerged. The rising sea water would travel down the Saint Lawrence River, then down through the Niagra River, and Lake Erie will rise.
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Old 12-12-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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When the sea levels rise, I can see areas around the Great Lakes, like Cleveland, becoming submerged. The rising sea water would travel down the Saint Lawrence River, then down through the Niagra River, and Lake Erie will rise.
Wrong. Lake Ontario, at a lower elevation than Lake Erie, is expected to remain above sea level even if all global ice is melted.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/m...horeline-maps/

If the man-made climate change science deniers continue to block a rapid transition away from fossil fuel consumption, it looks like Pine Bluff, Arkansas, might be prime real estate in a few centuries, if not much sooner if negative feedback loops, such as a vicious methane feedback loop, are triggered by the ongoing man-made global warming. See post 26 in this thread for a discussion of the possibility of a vicious feedback loop.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/ohio/...ge-ohio-3.html

However, as Floridians of today already are experiencing, the oceans may be greatly degraded, with ocean coral species extinct, the marine food chain obliterated by ocean acidification, ocean warming and toxic algal blooms, and toxic algal blooms a constant threat in coastal areas making them unusable by mankind for recreational purposes.

Much more persistent and severe toxic algal blooms may also plague Lake Erie and other Ohio waterways as global warming raises the temperature of Ohio waters.

Even as Ohio remains above water, the general environmental degradation of our planet will make Ohio a much more miserable place, likely so even before Florida and other U.S. coastal areas are finally inundated.

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Old 12-15-2018, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Since all the waterways around Northern Ohio are interconeceted by rivers, and the river to the sea, if one rises, they'll all rise unless arger locks and retention walls are built, or resevoir's.
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Old 12-21-2018, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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What could possibly go wrong.....BOOM!

https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsbur...peline-to.html

Keep in mind that Ethane is many times more volitile than oil, gasoline, or natural gas. It's closer to rocket fuel.

Where's Obama when we need him the most? When a tremmer hits this pipeline, its going to blow Eastern Ohio all the way to the Moon.

Read the last paragraph of this BOOM article:

http://www.theintelligencer.net/news...ates-fireball/
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