East side of Youngstown, how safe? (Cleveland, Warren: 2009, credit, homes)

[Samir_Abdul]

yongstown aint no joke boy..and i live in east cleveland...that southside..its hectic in that little town....

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Originally Posted by JR_C

LOL, I assume you're thinking of me?

not just you.

Originally Posted by JR_C

This is just my opinion, but I believe "safety" is subjective. To some people, the entire US is too unsafe with our liberal (not in a political sense, of course) gun laws. Of course, there are a few bad parts of Youngstown. But choosing to live in a suburb instead of the city just because of "safety," is like choosing to build a house at the bottom of a big hill, instead of the top, because you'll be less likely to be struck by lightning.

i think that when people are surfing on this board from other areas they are expecting a certain degree of safety. youngstown does not offer the safety that the average surfer has in mind. the reason the houses are so cheap is because of this lack of the level of expected safety and not enough job opportunities to fund living in those houses.

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Originally Posted by KenD

Here's where we get into problems interpreting data.

the data only counts reported incidents.

Originally Posted by KenD

In its class, as defined by cities with a population between<font face="Verdana"> 75,000 to 99,999, Youngstown comes in at number 7. This is really misleading, though. When compared to all US cities, Youngstown isn't even in the top 25 but Cleveland, Dayton, and Cincinnati are ranked 20th, 21st and 25th, respectively.

at least those cities have some resemblence to bigger cities and have more fully developed suburbs. people can find work in these cities quicker than in youngstown. i know that you have the entreprenurial spirit, but some people in that area truly worry about how they can pay the internet bill much less risk everything on selling stuff on the internet. in fact, many of these people will be your first neighbors if you try to gentrify the neighborhoods. hopefully, success is not displacing all of these people (though this is usually is the barometer of success).

Originally Posted by KenD

Now, are parts of Youngstown dangerous relatively speaking? Absolutely!

the east side being the main part that was mentioned in this thread. i didn't think that you were thinking about going into that side of youngstown. after all, it is the worst side (which paradoxically would be the most appealing place to gentrify).

[KenD]

Originally Posted by 000000

the data only counts reported incidents.

Actually, I was referring to the misinterpetation that Youngstown was the seventh most dangerous city in the US. It is only in it's size class but nowhere near as bad as many other places.

Originally Posted by 000000

at least those cities have some resemblence to bigger cities and have more fully developed suburbs. people can find work in these cities quicker than in youngstown.

True - and what you've hit upon is exactly what the city and state need to rectify if they want to make any real progress. To be truthful, I have my doubts if they even recognize the roots of many of these problems, let alone how to fix them or how to use the tools they already have to begin the process.

Originally Posted by 000000

i know that you have the entreprenurial spirit, but some people in that area truly worry about how they can pay the internet bill much less risk everything on selling stuff on the internet.

As well they should. However, we live in a very different world that many of us grew up in. Manufacturing, with a few high tech exceptions, is just not going to be the backbone of our economy again - unless some very serious changes happen, and those changes would not necessarily be pleasant ones I might add.

Originally Posted by 000000

in fact, many of these people will be your first neighbors if you try to gentrify the neighborhoods. hopefully, success is not displacing all of these people (though this is usually is the barometer of success).

The truly great thing about the promise of Youngstown is that everyone could enjoy the success of the city - or will share in in its continued failure. The reality is, this is really a microcosm of the entire country, if not a fair portion of the world as things sit right now. We will either tackle these problems and fix them or we will continue to pay for it. Unfortunately, it seems that many of the people in charge don't know what to do, or are scared to take these steps or don't want to upset the status quo. This needs to change.

Originally Posted by 000000

the east side being the main part that was mentioned in this thread. i didn't think that you were thinking about going into that side of youngstown. after all, it is the worst side (which paradoxically would be the most appealing place to gentrify).

After taking a fast tour of the east side, no, I'm not brave enough to move there, even though there are some nice neighborhoods there, I'm sure. There was a time, when I was younger and single, when I don't think I would have had any trouble living there and that area might eventually come back, with the right persuasion.

What Youngstown does offer, and in a huge way, is a second chance to a lot of people who have lost their homes or want to buy something without mortgaging their entire future - but there will need to be dramatic steps taken before any but the most hard core will move there.

For me, we have made the decision to move anywhere but the City of Youngstown and are now looking towards the outlying areas. What I had hoped to find was bad neighborhoods surrounded by good ones and instead found the reverse.

That said, I don't believe the situation is hopeless but I do believe that a near insurmountable amount of work is going to have to be done and I am not sure I have the confidence to say the leadership there understands what this is going to take.

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Originally Posted by KenD

True - and what you've hit upon is exactly what the city and state need to rectify if they want to make any real progress. To be truthful, I have my doubts if they even recognize the roots of many of these problems, let alone how to fix them or how to use the tools they already have to begin the process.

jay williams does, but i wouldn't say that many coucilpeople nor much of the county government do. the suburbs only care for their own. if there was one nice thing about the mob control was that at least they knew what they were doing for themselves, which is more than most of the honest people who replaced them can do.

[pasharon]

i disagree i think the south side is the most dangerous side of youngstown.

[brodebob]

Originally Posted by midwestguy214

I'm wondering if anyone can let me know about the safety of the area in east Youngstown including Campbell St and also by the Taylor St area (both just west of 680). Are there big gang problems over there or is it just boarded up and poor?

You are looking at the toughest area in one of the nations toughest cities with a skyrocket high homicide rates. If you want to be in a Okay area(Okay in Youngstown is not a normal Okay)go to the southside. Boardman. Stay way from Warren too.

[truemuck]

Originally Posted by brodebob

You are looking at the toughest area in one of the nations toughest cities with a skyrocket high homicide rates. If you want to be in a Okay area(Okay in Youngstown is not a normal Okay)go to the southside. Boardman. Stay way from Warren too.

Most of the Southside is pretty rough too, unless you're along the southernmost edges south of Midlothian, down by the original Handel's or near Rush Blvd. over by WKBN. Of course, you're practically in Boardman there.
If anything the West Side, (south of Mahoning Ave.) is the nicest section of the city, that and the 5th. Ave/Crandall Park area on the North Side.
Warren has its bad sections, but its generally safer than Y-town. The East Side of Warren over by Trumbull Country Club, is a very nice neighborhood and I'm sure there's other areas that are pretty good too, but thats the one that sticks in my mind.

[bethany12]

Well, this is a scary thread.

[CortlandGirl79]

That's why many of us are saying to stick to the outlying areas, unless you would feel safe living on the west side. The whole entire area is definitely not a war zone.......most people with the means have moved outside of Warren and Youngstown for many reasons. White flight was definitely an issue in the 60s and 70s when people started moving out. People also wanted more land, newer homes, and better schools. You will find all of those things in most of the outlying areas.