Do a lot of cities in Ohio still have a lot of mostly White Appalachian ghetto neighborhoods ? (Columbus: low income, transplants)

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by Khan Vozdig

Yup I'm aware of the Amish , though I appreciate your response regardless ...


FWIW are you familiar with an author called ( I think ) Jim Webb who wrote a book about his thesis that essentially boils down to the claim that much of the general outlook of the present day white working class in Middle America has been shaped by the Scots Irish ?

If so then are you more inclined to agree or disagree with that statement ?

Oh, you're from Hungary so you'd be familiar with John Hus likely.

Webb? Yes, he's largely correct.

Which statement?

[roodd279]

Khan - no offense taken, I'm fine. That's why I asked about your angle.

It's not common for Americans (USA) to make a distinction between ethnic or national groups - even though we all know we descend from different cultures. It is considered, at the least, impolite to generalize across any group.
It's not always wrong though. If you don't examine the cultural roots - maybe something essential is missed.
I defined myself as Eastern European - as my great great grandparents are from Croatia - but they settled in what is - on a map at least -Appalachia. I never identified with either culture. My father moved out of there as a young man in the 1950s, and we never called my ancestors "hillbilly" or anything else. They're just people, doing what they can to get by - some choose to leave, so choose to stay, but all - choose.

He didn't come to Youngstown to set-up a White Trash neighborhood - but to get away from one.

Another unique American "custom" - compared to other nationalities and cultures - we don't find or search for our current conditions by looking at our roots. Right or wrong, we barely consider our past. We think a "lengthy feud" is when it crosses a single generation. Europeans are still mad about something that happened 100, 400, 1600 years ago. We have nothing like that here, and no way to identify with it.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by roodd279

To generalize "white ghettos" in Ohio as somehow related to Appalachian culture is not just inappropriate - but certainly incorrect.

Not generalizing doesn't mean that Appalachian enclaves (if you want to use a fancier term) didn't and don't still exist.

In the 70s and 80s, until it began to gentrify, Dayton's South Park neighborhood was home largely to white people of Appalachian heritage who also were low-income. Same with Over-the-Rhine in Cincinnati - first a working class German neighborhood, then Appalachian, then African-American.

[Khan Vozdig]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Oh, you're from Hungary so you'd be familiar with John Hus likely.

Webb? Yes, he's largely correct.

Which statement?

Yes I'm familiar with John Hus , does he have anything to do with the Amish ?


As for the statement , I'm referring to Webb's claim that the outlook of the original Scots Irish settlers has become the main cultural influence upon the White American lower/working class .

[roodd279]

Agree completely, Ohiogirl, but his question was (paraphrasing) - which cities in Ohio have White Ghettos of Appalachian descent? And while I agree (not really debatable) that "enclaves" exist - somewhere - at this point, 50 - 100 years later, I don't know if generalizing ANY "white-ghetto" area of Ohio as Appalachian would be accurate. It's all a mixed bag now.


But the closer you get to the source (sorry, West Virginia) then the more likely you would be to find this situation.


Southern Ohio (which I consider to be -roughly - still Appalachia) has some "enclaves" too - but they've been there for a long, lonnnnng time.

[Kerby W-R]

You can't say all people that are of this or that behave this way. Whole towns were even being stereotyped!
I know people all over Trumbull, Mahoning and Columbiana counties and the people I know are all very
good people. A few bad apples can hurt a reputation but that doesn't mean the whole bunch are bad. I love this area and most all of the people here.

[pekemom]

So sad..my grandparents came from Poland long ago..I'm 73. Born in Youngstown my family moved to California in 1959. When I look at my area off Market St. There's only a few falling down houses left. The elementary school torn down. The house I lived in burned down years ago along with many other homes. It used to be an old but kept up neighborhood. All my relatives and neighbors left.

[dodeca]

I can see the distinctions you mention in the Toledo area. It seems that a lot of the Appalachian neighborhoods are in the south and southeastern sections of midwestern metro areas - Toledo, Columbus, Indianapolis, and smaller cities in NW Ohio fit that. Many of those neighborhoods remain poor but solid. East Toledo is the Appalachian section of Toledo (with some exceptions). The Eastern European neighborhoods have largely been abandoned by the Poles, Hungarians, Slovaks and others in Toledo; they have been upwardly mobile and have moved to the suburbs. The two Polish neighborhoods in Toledo are now largely African-American.

[1watertiger]

Jo’ reggelt kiva’nok.
I will add my two cents. Regarding a Cleveland there are Appalachian white people on the west side mainly around the Dennison ave. area west of W.25th. Not a very safe area at night imo. Thurman Avenue in Tremont used to be called hillbilly alley, but with all the gentrification I doubt it’s still there haven’t been there in a few years. There are also a few poor white neighborhoods scattered along the west side in the west 80‘s blocks.
There are no poor ghetto eastern European neighborhoods left that I can think of. Like another poster said, most have assimilated into middle to upper middle class in Cleveland suburbs.
Btw The city of Cleveland proper used to have the largest Hungarian population in the world outside of Budapest. They settled in the Buckeye Road neighborhood on the east side of Cleveland. Which many might consider a black ghetto area now. Cleveland metro still boasts one of the largest if not the largest Hungarian population still outside of hungry.

[Khan Vozdig]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Jo’ reggelt kiva’nok.
I will add my two cents. Regarding a Cleveland there are Appalachian white people on the west side mainly around the Dennison ave. area west of W.25th. Not a very safe area at night imo. Thurman Avenue in Tremont used to be called hillbilly alley, but with all the gentrification I doubt it’s still there haven’t been there in a few years. There are also a few poor white neighborhoods scattered along the west side in the west 80‘s blocks.
There are no poor ghetto eastern European neighborhoods left that I can think of. Like another poster said, most have assimilated into middle to upper middle class in Cleveland suburbs.
Btw The city of Cleveland proper used to have the largest Hungarian population in the world outside of Budapest. They settled in the Buckeye Road neighborhood on the east side of Cleveland. Which many might consider a black ghetto area now. Cleveland metro still boasts one of the largest if not the largest Hungarian population still outside of hungry.

I must say I didn't expect that someone would use a Hungarian greeting on this forum ...

That said is the Dennison avenue area you mention dangerous at night in the sense of having frequent homicides and/or people pulling guns on you if they feel disrespected ? Or is it more dangerous along the lines of you're likely to catch a beating if you're not careful when venturing there after dark ?

Also are there white people of Eastern European descent mixed in with white people of Appalachian/other non ethnic white descent in these poor white neighborhoods you speak of ?

Thanks for the answer by the way !