How did Biden not win Ohio? (Cleveland, Warren: crime rate, schools, quality of life)

[ram2]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

So, you're saying that Democrats were the sole cause of post-WW2 deindustrialization? Interesting thought... stupid, but still interesting.

Funny how that post-WW2 deindustrialization does not affect Detroit's suburbs. Strange how the landscape immediately improves once you exit Detroit city limits.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by ram2

Funny how that post-WW2 deindustrialization does not affect Detroit's suburbs. Strange how the landscape immediately improves once you exit Detroit city limits.

Is this a joke? You're seriously insinuating that deindustrialization has only affected Detroit proper? So like, say in Highland Park/Hamtramck or River Rouge, things automatically get better simply because of an invisible border? Or are you talking about the "white flight" suburbs of the late-50's, 60's and 70's which just happened to coincide with the largest mass-scale loss of industry this country has even born witness to? But yeah, even though there was a Republican in office when the free-fall fuse was lit in the mid 50's, the problem only resides on one side of the fence. Get real.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by KY_Transplant

This is such an incredibly ignorant post. I suggest to learn about rural, white America to watch "Hillbilly" (2019) on Hulu. Good little documentary done by a woman who moved out of Appalachia to Los Angeles and returned to see why so many rural voters attached to Trump. I think you will understand a little more why those people vote the way they do.

It's a nice documentary, but the underlying reason they vote the way they do is because they are generally under-educated, gullible and, therefore, easy targets for hucksters like Trump. If you want to sell something frivolous, always aim for the LCD of society. He's a master at it - has been for decades.

Originally Posted by ohioaninsc

CA is the most populous state but because it never votes republican, it's not important...TX as the 2nd most populous state always votes republican so it too is not very important in the grand scheme of things...the only states that are truly important, the states that both parties campaign the hardest in are the unpredictable ones..states like WI, PA, GA now, NC now...
MO used to be a bell weather state, not it is straight republican...so neither party fights too hard there. Ohio is going to become the same way unless Dems get their act together and get the voters in Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, Montgomery, Lucas, and Summit Counties to vote.

I guess you and I look at what is important a bit differently. What you are saying is that other states are either more or less predictable. What I'm saying is that Ohio, while less predictable than it used to, is still one of the top 5-10 prizes in any presidential election. Since both campaigns made numerous stops here with Biden's final push being on 11/2, I'd say they agree.

[WestGuest]

Originally Posted by ram2

The city of Detroit has been voting Democrat since 1962. That has turned out to be a disaster.

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This may be too deep for you but there are many independent variables that plagued Detroit. Most of which have to do with auto manufacturers leaving.


By the same token -the most stagnant states - and those which have the lowest literacy are all REPUBLICAN - have you ever heard of Alabama- Mississippi- Louisiana.


Learn the difference between causation and correlation-- you certainly are no demographer.

[WestGuest]

To answer why Ohio went Republican is to look at its voters. Trump's main demographic is uneducated whites- high school or less and Trump swept them across the country ( Guess why). The better education a state has the more Democratic and anti Trump. Which states have the best colleges ? Mass -California - New York- maybe CT.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by ram2

Funny how that post-WW2 deindustrialization does not affect Detroit's suburbs. Strange how the landscape immediately improves once you exit Detroit city limits.

You must have an extreme case of cognitive dissonance if you're going to completely ignore redlining and intentional segregation of the city of Detroit, and the white-flight that occurred once those practices ceased.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by WestGuest

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This may be too deep for you but there are many independent variables that plagued Detroit. Most of which have to do with auto manufacturers leaving.

You do realize thousands of people are still employed by the auto industry in southeast Michigan. Those people choose not to live or work in the city of Detroit.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by Natural510

You must have an extreme case of cognitive dissonance if you're going to completely ignore redlining and intentional segregation of the city of Detroit, and the white-flight that occurred once those practices ceased.

Ann what have the Democrats in Detroit done since 1962 to fix the wrongs in the city of Detroit besides lining their own pockets? Democrats always say they are the job creators, so where are all these great jobs in the city of Detroit?

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by ram2

You do realize thousands of people are still employed by the auto industry in southeast Michigan. Those people choose not to live or work in the city of Detroit.

Yes, but. Automotive employment is a fraction of what it once was.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

So like, say in Highland Park/Hamtramck or River Rouge, things automatically get better simply because of an invisible border?

Yes they do. Start in downtown Detroit and drive north on Jefferson Avenue. Note the significant change for the better once you cross the border into Grosse Pointe.