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Vietnamese tend to vote Republican for the same reason as Cubans, but most Asians vote for Democrats, even if they themselves may be socially conservative. Possibly because the GOP is less about actual conservatism these days than nationalism and rugged individualism.
Koreans? Probably one of the most conservative ethnic groups that I've ever encountered. They are NOT just socially conservative - they are evangelical, anti-choice, and pro-business. They also tend to be wealthy.
I have never met a Korean person who was NOT a Republican. Similar to Cubans in that way.
My information comes from having lived in two heavily Korean areas in my lifetime - The Three Village area of Long Island (near a large STEM-oriented teaching university and medical center) and Flushing, Queens, which has become a bastion of Koreans for the past 40 years.
Same here.....have lived in Ohio two years. Initially rented by Shaker Heights and loved it, but made the mistake of moving to a rural area. I had no idea it would be so conservative. Trump signs everywhere. Looking forward to selling here and moving back up by Cleveland....probably Cleveland Heights at this point. Like two different worlds.
It totally IS "Two different worlds"! I really like Shaker and Cleaveland Heights.
Why the hate on Indiana? Hopefully Ohio does become more like Indiana as they have a balanced State budget, properly and legally funded public schools, good infrastructure and a growing economy.
For decades, Ohio has been stagnant, especially its cities, due to Democratic leadership. Cleveland for example, is a cesspool of corruption, poverty, and stagnant employment. Youngstown is another example of failed democratic leadership for years that only saw poverty increase, crime increase and jobs go away. Finally, blue collar workers and laborers said enough with Unions which shows the big shift in Ohio’s voting patterns. Blue collar workers turned out for Trump and are part of the new Republican Party.
Sounds like Ohio may not be the best State for your politics, perhaps California or the Northeast would be more fitting.
I do not "hate" Indiana. I have been there quite a few times and I think it's pretty in certain places, and pleasant enough. I like CITIES. Not rural areas. I find Cleveland far more interesting and vibrant than either of the two cities I have visited in Indiana.
However, it is way to Evangelical, and religious for me, and too conservative.
I am an Independent progressive who is pro-union. I would no more live in Indiana than I would the south.
Since I live in an urban area, my politics is FINE thankyou. All of my new Ohio friends are lefties and detest Trump.
Sounds like we are looking for two different things.
Why the hate on Indiana? Hopefully Ohio does become more like Indiana as they have a balanced State budget, properly and legally funded public schools, good infrastructure and a growing economy.
For decades, Ohio has been stagnant, especially its cities, due to Democratic leadership. Cleveland for example, is a cesspool of corruption, poverty, and stagnant employment. Youngstown is another example of failed democratic leadership for years that only saw poverty increase, crime increase and jobs go away. Finally, blue collar workers and laborers said enough with Unions which shows the big shift in Ohio’s voting patterns. Blue collar workers turned out for Trump and are part of the new Republican Party.
Sounds like Ohio may not be the best State for your politics, perhaps California or the Northeast would be more fitting.
This post is riddled with falsehoods and unsubstantiated bombastic claims. E.g., as noted elsewhere, Ohio has experienced nothing so massively corrupt in any of its cities as the Republican JobsOhio program IMO. Do you know nothing about Republican scandals in Ohio that dwarf any city corruption cases of which I'm familiar, such as Coingate; hundreds of millions wasted on sham, for-profit charter schools that made kickbacks to Republican politicians; let alone the recent scandal involving public subsidies for coal and nuclear utilities?
Ohio has a balanced budget, and likely better public schools than Indiana. Indiana has borrowed from the future, especially that of northern Hoosiers, to finance infrastructure improvements and still neglects mass transit, especially compared to Greater Cleveland. Your statements are not only ignorant, they are offensive. It's easy to make derisory statements when they are never substantiated by facts.
E.g., please document that Ohio has been economically stagnant compared to Indiana, as this appears to be a very false statement. Real per capita income in Ohio remains measureably higher than in Indiana, and increased significantly in the past decade (NOT STAGNANT).
Your unsubstantiated claims are ridiculous, even insulting. Posters who make comparisons without a careful examination of facts and of reality disgust me.
E.g., anybody actually familiar with Cleveland, pre-COVID, would compare its dynamism very favorably with Indianapolis, even though comparing the two cities directly is a fool's game. Why? Cleveland is a comparatively small city both in population and geographical size as a percentage of both its home county and metropolitan area, let alone its CSA. Indianapolis, as part of a consoilidated county, has well over twice the population and four times the land area.
Contrary to your suggestions, real personal per capita income for Greater Cleveland is higher than in Greater indianapolis.
Yes, Clevleand proper has a larger percentage of legacy, inner city neighborhoods than Indianapolis proper, with its consolidated county government. But under Democratic leadership in the last three decades, again pre-COVID, Cleveland magnificantly revitalized its University Circle cultural area with billions of dollars of investment; billions of dollars of investment also reshaped Cleveland's downtown area and resulted in an upsurge in downtown residency. Indianapolis has nothing comparable to Cleveland's Greater University Circle.
University Circle features the rebuilt and transformed Cleveland Museum of Art, now ranked by the tripadvisor.com reviewers as one of the best in the U.S. The Cleveland Orchestra is arguably, according to the NY Times, the best orchestra in the U.S. and the expanded and updated Severance Hall is one of the nation's most beautiful and acoustically best concert halls. Case Western University is higher ranked than any other national university in Ohio and higher than Purdue or Indiana University. The Cleveland Clinic is one of the highest ranked medical centers in the U.S. and University Hospitals is second ranked in Ohio.
The transformation of University Circle and its individual institutions in the last two decades, all under Democratic administrations in Cleveland, has been outstanding.
I'm curious. Does Marion County, like Cuyahoga County, have a locally tax-subsidized community college system or a program that has greatly reduced long-term homelessness? How do Indianapolis parks compare to the heralded Cleveland Metroparks, which admittedly had to raise taxes to finance redevelopment of Cleveland's lakeshore parks after assuming operational responsibility from the incompetent and negligent Republican state administration. Good government costs money, and posters focused only on tax rates IMO should go live in some rural county of Nevada, or in Indiana, Florida or Texas. Despite Republican claims of a "hoax," climate change already is impairing greatly Florida and Texas, and the consequences over the next two decades will be devastating.
Republican incompetency both nationally and in Indiana and to a lesser extent in Ohio have ravaged Ohio and Indiana health systems and economies. Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine has been less incompetent than many other Republicans but still has supported and enabled the Trump/Republican COVID-19 epidemic debacle.
The Indiana per capita COVID-19 death rate is 50 percent higher than in Ohio.
Per capita COVID-19 cases are 32 percent higher in Indiana than in Ohio. This is significant because many persons infected by COVID-19 suffer long-term medical deficiencies, even if initially asymptomatic.
Especially considering the enormously massive relative U.S. expenditures on healthcare, the U.S. has managed the COVID-19 epidemic much worse than any other developed nation in the world. Compare the outcome with Australia, which has conservative political leadership but one that has proven extremely epidemically competent. The U.S. per capita death rate is 25 times greater than in Australia.
Here's the reality. Using effective public health measures not used, even vilified by Republicans, Australia quashed the COVID-19 epidemic without the use of vaccines, antibody cocktails, etc.
The toll of Republican epidemic incompetency on the American economy and the economic well-being of American citizens has been profound compared to the economies of Asia, where the epidemic was aggressively and competently managed.
The COVID-19 epidemic has crippled large portions of the U.S. economy, especially medical systems with abhorrent consequences that will ripple forward in the years ahead. Cleveland and other urban centers have been especially brutalized (conventions, cultural institutions, pro sports, hospitality and restaurant businesses, hospitals, all have been financially devastated), and yet Republicans want to blame the impact of the COVID-19 epidemic on mismanagement of our major cities and fight against providing adequate financial aid to state and local governments to compensate for the mess that they created.
Here are two specific policy outrages imposed by Republicans on the citizens of northern Indiana and northern Ohio.
1) Indiana Republicans have leased the Indiana toll road and used the billions of dollars of upfront payments to rebuild infrastructure throughout the state, even an entirely new FREEWAY through southwest Indiana. Similarly, Ohio Republicans leveraged the Ohio Turnpike to finance infrastructure improvements state-wide. The result is massive and ever-increasing tolls on a transportation corridor vital to northern Ohio and Indiana. Meanwhile, the I-70 corridor remains toll-free. Fair? Economically competent? Not hardly. Personally, I consider these policies both tragic and immensely corrupt.
2) The Trump administration with the support of Indiana and Ohio Republicans quashed EPA efforts to regulate the indirect dumping of manure in the Maumee River watershed. So toxic algal blooms continue to reduce the water quality in the western basin of Lake Erie, impairing a $10 billion recreational industry dependent upon Lake Erie, and raising processing costs for all communities dependent on Lake Erie water supplies.
Ohio has a very high tax burden compared to Southern and other Midwestern States. Ohio ranks 12th one spot ahead of California!
I have lived in Tennessee (ranked 48 and Florida, ranked 46) and there were no major fees outside the usual that offset the savings from zero State income tax. Cost of living in Ohio is still relatively good, but my Dollars went farther in Tennessee and Florida.
Per student public school expenditures in Tennessee and Florida are about a third lower than in Ohio. TN is a state where families interested in a quality eductation are forced to send children to private schools, and poorer families are educationally disadvantaged. I haven't checked TN, but FL is facing significant teacher shortages.
Also, looking at Nashville, the park system there pales against the Metropark (county) systems offered in major Ohio urban centers in addition to local parks.
I'm certain there are other major differences in public services. E.g., neither TN or FL have adopted Medicaid expansion and have seen rural hospitals closed and other hospitals facing financial struggles. Both states have paltry unemployment benefits.
You get what you pay for, but I do wish both TN and FL would stop asking the federal government to provide financial assistance not received by other states (e.g., for the TVA in TN, and for subsidized flood insurance, beach replenishing, hurricane recovery, etc. in FL).
It totally IS "Two different worlds"! I really like Shaker and Cleaveland Heights.
Where are you from originally?
"Originally"? Well, I was born in PA, grew up in Mass, lived the majority of my adult life in the Seattle area, and retired 2 years ago to Ohio.....looking for an affordable, 4-season climate area....my only mistake was moving out of the Cleveland vicinity.....it's beautiful here in Central Ohio, but way too conservative for someone who is a liberal democrat/environmentalist/feminist! Looking forward to moving back to civilization hopefully this spring!
This post is riddled with falsehoods and unsubstantiated bombastic claims. E.g., as noted elsewhere, Ohio has experienced nothing so massively corrupt in any of its cities as the Republican JobsOhio program IMO. Do you know nothing about Republican scandals in Ohio that dwarf any city corruption cases of which I'm familiar, such as Coingate; hundreds of millions wasted on sham, for-profit charter schools that made kickbacks to Republican politicians; let alone the recent scandal involving public subsidies for coal and nuclear utilities?
Ohio has a balanced budget, and likely better public schools than Indiana. Indiana has borrowed from the future, especially that of northern Hoosiers, to finance infrastructure improvements and still neglects mass transit, especially compared to Greater Cleveland. Your statements are not only ignorant, they are offensive. It's easy to make derisory statements when they are never substantiated by facts.
E.g., please document that Ohio has been economically stagnant compared to Indiana, as this appears to be a very false statement. Real per capita income in Ohio remains measureably higher than in Indiana, and increased significantly in the past decade (NOT STAGNANT).
Your unsubstantiated claims are ridiculous, even insulting. Posters who make comparisons without a careful examination of facts and of reality disgust me.
E.g., anybody actually familiar with Cleveland, pre-COVID, would compare its dynamism very favorably with Indianapolis, even though comparing the two cities directly is a fool's game. Why? Cleveland is a comparatively small city both in population and geographical size as a percentage of both its home county and metropolitan area, let alone its CSA. Indianapolis, as part of a consoilidated county, has well over twice the population and four times the land area.
Contrary to your suggestions, real personal per capita income for Greater Cleveland is higher than in Greater indianapolis.
Yes, Clevleand proper has a larger percentage of legacy, inner city neighborhoods than Indianapolis proper, with its consolidated county government. But under Democratic leadership in the last three decades, again pre-COVID, Cleveland magnificantly revitalized its University Circle cultural area with billions of dollars of investment; billions of dollars of investment also reshaped Cleveland's downtown area and resulted in an upsurge in downtown residency. Indianapolis has nothing comparable to Cleveland's Greater University Circle.
University Circle features the rebuilt and transformed Cleveland Museum of Art, now ranked by the tripadvisor.com reviewers as one of the best in the U.S. The Cleveland Orchestra is arguably, according to the NY Times, the best orchestra in the U.S. and the expanded and updated Severance Hall is one of the nation's most beautiful and acoustically best concert halls. Case Western University is higher ranked than any other national university in Ohio and higher than Purdue or Indiana University. The Cleveland Clinic is one of the highest ranked medical centers in the U.S. and University Hospitals is second ranked in Ohio.
The transformation of University Circle and its individual institutions in the last two decades, all under Democratic administrations in Cleveland, has been outstanding.
I'm curious. Does Marion County, like Cuyahoga County, have a locally tax-subsidized community college system or a program that has greatly reduced long-term homelessness? How do Indianapolis parks compare to the heralded Cleveland Metroparks, which admittedly had to raise taxes to finance redevelopment of Cleveland's lakeshore parks after assuming operational responsibility from the incompetent and negligent Republican state administration. Good government costs money, and posters focused only on tax rates IMO should go live in some rural county of Nevada, or in Indiana, Florida or Texas. Despite Republican claims of a "hoax," climate change already is impairing greatly Florida and Texas, and the consequences over the next two decades will be devastating.
Republican incompetency both nationally and in Indiana and to a lesser extent in Ohio have ravaged Ohio and Indiana health systems and economies. Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine has been less incompetent than many other Republicans but still has supported and enabled the Trump/Republican COVID-19 epidemic debacle.
The Indiana per capita COVID-19 death rate is 50 percent higher than in Ohio.
Per capita COVID-19 cases are 32 percent higher in Indiana than in Ohio. This is significant because many persons infected by COVID-19 suffer long-term medical deficiencies, even if initially asymptomatic.
Especially considering the enormously massive relative U.S. expenditures on healthcare, the U.S. has managed the COVID-19 epidemic much worse than any other developed nation in the world. Compare the outcome with Australia, which has conservative political leadership but one that has proven extremely epidemically competent. The U.S. per capita death rate is 25 times greater than in Australia.
Here's the reality. Using effective public health measures not used, even vilified by Republicans, Australia quashed the COVID-19 epidemic without the use of vaccines, antibody cocktails, etc.
The toll of Republican epidemic incompetency on the American economy and the economic well-being of American citizens has been profound compared to the economies of Asia, where the epidemic was aggressively and competently managed.
The COVID-19 epidemic has crippled large portions of the U.S. economy, especially medical systems with abhorrent consequences that will ripple forward in the years ahead. Cleveland and other urban centers have been especially brutalized (conventions, cultural institutions, pro sports, hospitality and restaurant businesses, hospitals, all have been financially devastated), and yet Republicans want to blame the impact of the COVID-19 epidemic on mismanagement of our major cities and fight against providing adequate financial aid to state and local governments to compensate for the mess that they created.
Here are two specific policy outrages imposed by Republicans on the citizens of northern Indiana and northern Ohio.
1) Indiana Republicans have leased the Indiana toll road and used the billions of dollars of upfront payments to rebuild infrastructure throughout the state, even an entirely new FREEWAY through southwest Indiana. Similarly, Ohio Republicans leveraged the Ohio Turnpike to finance infrastructure improvements state-wide. The result is massive and ever-increasing tolls on a transportation corridor vital to northern Ohio and Indiana. Meanwhile, the I-70 corridor remains toll-free. Fair? Economically competent? Not hardly. Personally, I consider these policies both tragic and immensely corrupt.
2) The Trump administration with the support of Indiana and Ohio Republicans quashed EPA efforts to regulate the indirect dumping of manure in the Maumee River watershed. So toxic algal blooms continue to reduce the water quality in the western basin of Lake Erie, impairing a $10 billion recreational industry dependent upon Lake Erie, and raising processing costs for all communities dependent on Lake Erie water supplies.
I hit a nerve, I see. Everyone knows you are the biggest Cleveland homer on this forum and it shows in all your posts where you find "facts" to further your political agenda, rather an examination of Ohio's strengths and weaknesses. The topic at hand here is to not compare Indiana to Ohio, there is already another thread in the General Discussions forum. The topic posted by the OP was why Joe Biden did not win Ohio when he did win other Great lakes States that went for Trump before. I then compared Ohio to Indiana as it's voting record is more closely aligning Indiana as a Midwestern Red State, and that can't be denied.
All these other topics you have presented deviate from the initial topic on why Ohio has leaned more red and why Biden lost Ohio. If you take off your rose colored glasses and step out of the Ivory tower into Real Ohio you would see why Ohioans have voted for Trump twice. JOBS. Jobs have been lost for decades. Mahoning county went to Trump this election...let that sink in. Mahoning county, the Mafia and Labor Union capital of Ohio went for a Republican as working class people felt abandoned by Democrats and their policies through the last few decades. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/6234140002/
My comments are not ignorant, they are just not your opinions. You have a different political ideology than I, clearly. I have provided facts on what Ohio Republicans have done to help move the State forward and, surprise, no response from anyone. I even asserted that both Political parties are bad (they are), but just as you attach to the Democratic Party, I attach to the Republican Party, the lesser of two evils in my opinion and how their style of government affects my daily life.
Ohio Republicans have froze public University/College tuition rates and overall student costs by five percent. In addition, they have expanded the Ohio College Opportunity Grant through senate legislation.
Ohio Republicans have reduced the overall tax burden for Ohioans for years. In addition, the Ohio sales tax Holiday for Back To School shopping was continued and expanded, helping low income families the most. Republicans also passed the "Rural Jobs Act" increasing jobs in rural areas by incentivizing job creation and economic development in underserved rural areas of Ohio. (Something Democratic Leaders have abandoned). https://trackbill.com/bill/ohio-hous...s-act/1194083/
Ohio Republicans have been at the forefront of the Ohio Opioid Addiction crisis, fighting fentanyl distribution. In addition, passed legislation requiring stringent background checks for Registered Pharmacy Techs that contributed to more than a 1/3 of all drug theft cases investigated by the Ohio Board of Pharmacy.
Here is a USA Today link that details States with the best and worst Economies. Ohio was 35 out of 50, Indiana was 32...TN and FL, and most other States were far better, economically, than Ohio. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ies/113533362/
Not sure why you are bringing up Covid in this topic, especially the laughable comparison to Australia, an Island nation significantly smaller in population and area to the 50 United States. Comparing our Covid response to Australia is apples and oranges as us common folks say.
Sadly, Politics are what everyone seems to care about these days. I simply gave my opinion on why Ohio is now a Red State and will be for years to come. I hope you enjoy the Republican Majority that will fix this broken state.
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I hope you enjoy the Republican Majority that will fix this broken state.
"Fix" Ohio!??? Republicans? Really? ... The only 'fix' we can expect from Republicans is to line their pockets as well as those of their cronies. From Bob Taft to Larry Householder on back. The only constituency Republicans care about are un/undereducated rural types who respond to racial-scare buzz words like Pavlov's dogs, and who will keep electing them so ... they can line their pockets, and those of cronies, some more... wash, rinse, spin, repeat...
I should note that I'm not a big fan of the policies of the Democratic Party either, but their policies are far better than the Trumpian policies and emphasis on "Big Lie" propaganda that now dominates the Republican Party, especially in Ohio.
Regarding the Republicans, I now think often of the following quote:
<<It is best, if possible, to deceive no one; for he that ... begins by deceiving others, will end ... by deceiving himself.>>
I remember when Eisenhower agonized over lying during the U-2 incident when Francis Gary Powers decided not to take his cyanide pill. Here's an article written before the Trump era, which surely may be labeled as the "Age of Deception and Self-Delusion." It seems quaint and pollyannish given the current state of affairs in Ohio and in our nation.
The Republican Party has spiraled far down from the Eisenhower administration, let alone the administration of George H. W. Bush and James Baker.
Why did Biden lose Ohio? Because corporate media in Ohio, especially local television new programs, keep Ohioans massively uninformed. E.g., in the Cleveland market, I've seen comparisons of the Ohio epidemic response with those of other U.S. states. I've never seen any report comparing the Ohio, or even the U.S., epidemic response with the measurably far superior policies impemented in Australia, or Asian nations, or even, to a lesser extent, Canada.
I've explained what I've written in this thread to friends, many of whom are Republican conservatives, and the result has been an incredulous anger at the failures of our government. Of course, they know that I'm a very conservative thinker on many issues, far more so than most Republican politicians as measured by their actions, and so we can talk objectively about the issues.
I would be surprised if 5 percent of Ohioans could discuss knowingly about how the COVID-19 policy responses in Australia, all available to the U.S., have been wildly successful compared to the morass in the U.S.
Most shockingly, there has been no U.S. politician able to pierce through the Republican shield of deceit and able to offer a rational, but immensely difficult, pathway to an improved tomorrow. Mitt Romney at times has appeared to be that person, but then he belittles climate change concerns and the urgent need to abandon the use of fossil fuels.
A big part of the problem is that I'm not certain that any of our current political leaders, many aged and some even apparently demented (Sen. Dianne Feinstein and arguably Donald Trump), possess a grasp of the issues. E.g., amazingly, I never heard Joe Biden or Kamala Harris give a detailed explanation of how and why the COVID-19 responses in Australia and other nations were so superior to the those in the U.S. I've NEVER heard any U.S. politician explain how and why climate change will ravage the world in even the next 15 years. Have you heard any politician discuss ocean acification or accelerating ocean heat content, global ice melt, and sea level rise, let alone the ravages posed by these measurable consequences of fossil fuel consumption?
How many Ohioans understand the diversion of badly needed resources resulting from the Republican enactment of the secretive JobsOhio or the tax exemptions given to owners of pass-through entities?
<<The LLC loophole, first enacted in 2013 and expanded subsequently, exempts owners of partnerships, sole proprietorships, S Corporations and limited liability companies from state income tax on the first $250,000 in earnings from such entities (they are known as “passthrough entities” because their owners are taxed on profits from them under the individual income tax as they pass through to them). Income over that amount is taxed at just 3 percent, lower than the nearly 5 percent rate they would otherwise pay. The Department of Taxation estimated the cost of the tax break at $1.086 billion in 2016.>>
To offset tax breaks for the wealthy, Ohio Republicans have slashed state and local aid for counties, cities and villages, but not for even wealthy townships. Aid for public schools often has been cut, especially adjusted for inflation. Ditto, for public universities. As a result municipal income tax rates, property tax rates, and even sales tax rates have increased. Most major Ohio cities have raised their municipal income tax rates by 25 percent, from 2 to 2.5 percent.
I'm very pessimistic about our nation's future and extremely distraught about the decline of our fortunes in Ohio.
IMO, Ohioans are largely uninformed, have suffered greatly due political failures in the last several decades, and are therefore vulnerable to Trump's "Big Lie" propaganda tactics.
<<In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and nothing was true… The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.>>
<<The great innovation of democracy is the peaceful transfer of power — deciding things by vote rather than by violence. But that requires a shared willingness to accept some big political losses. That shared commitment to living by the vote is under grave threat. But the threat is not symmetrical, and we should avoid the mistake of false equivalence. Trump has been actively undermining the democratic process since before he was elected in 2016. In 2016 he would not commit to accepting the outcome of the election if he were to lose. And even after the election he did not accept that he lost the popular vote, claiming without evidence that millions of fraudulent ballots were cast for his opponent. His view is “Either I win, or it’s fraud.” And this view is endorsed by a large number of Republicans.>>
My hunch is we need another Lincoln, another FDR, and in this moment of immense peril, this individual hasn't yet appeared. Pete Buttigieg displayed potentially such brillance, but his status as a married gay likely sabotaged his Presidential ambitions (would he now be President if he had been in a heterosexual marriage with young children, like JFK?). Yet who would have ever imagined that Colorado would have a married gay governor.
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Everyone knows you are the biggest Cleveland homer on this forum and it shows in all your posts where you find "facts" to further your political agenda, rather an examination of Ohio's strengths and weaknesses. The topic at hand here is to not compare Indiana to Ohio, there is already another thread in the General Discussions forum. The topic posted by the OP was why Joe Biden did not win Ohio when he did win other Great lakes States that went for Trump before. I then compared Ohio to Indiana as it's voting record is more closely aligning Indiana as a Midwestern Red State, and that can't be denied. 
