How did Biden not win Ohio? (Columbus, Cleveland: low income, sales, 2014)

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by ram2

You are telling us Harper Woods is in no better shape than the city of Detroit? What's next, Warren?

You are telling me that, just like Detroit, Harper Woods and the "Pointes" haven't experienced significant decline over the past few decades due to mass deindustrialization? How about Hamtramck, Highland Park or River Rouge? Stop skirting around the point.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

You are telling me that, just like Detroit, Harper Woods and the "Pointes" haven't experienced significant decline over the past few decades due to mass deindustrialization? How about Hamtramck, Highland Park or River Rouge? Stop skirting around the point.

Oh Good Lord, man, give it up. Anyone with any sense understood his point, which is that there's usually an obvious difference on one side of the Detroit city limits versus the other. There was a goddamn movie about it (8 Mile). His point offended your political sensibilities, so you engaged in this pitifully stupid line of attack. Enough. Please.

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by ohioaninsc

Unfortunately, Ohio has too many backwards angry rural white guys that are uneducated and pissed at a everyone else for their own shortcomings...they refuse to better themselves and move out of their crap little towns w/ no futures...Trump spoke to them, and of course stoked their anger and resentment to vote in mass...

I fear Ohio has become lost like Missouri, another state that has 2 large cities at each end and is a backwater across the rest of the state...The Democrats need to work extra hard in the cities here to get the voters to the polls...Cleveland/Cuyahoga County didn't have near the numbers of voters that last 2 elections at the polls that we had for Obama in 08/12...I wish Obama could train the Ohio Democrat Party how to organize and reach out better...or they need to go learn from Stacy Abrams whose work has finally changed Georgia from deep red to purple.

Your assessment is spot on. I'm a transplant and I have lived here for seven years.

Although I personally do not know anyone who voted for Trump, I live in a smaller, diverse city. While I have no current plans to leave the state, we are moving from our current home within the next few years. We are empty nesters and it's too large and needs constant work and there is too much property. If we do stay in Ohio, I would totally avoid any place rural, and even some suburbs. Someplace like Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights or University Heights.

I was SHOCKED that Ohio did not vote blue. Since I've lived here, we have had two conservative governors for whom I did not vote. Despite my disagreements with both of them, I do not think of either as Trumpublicans.

If we stay in OH, it would most likely be in an urban or inner-ring suburb. If OH becomes anything like a state like Missouri or Indiana - or most southern states - we will leave.

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by ohioaninsc

We also have a less diverse demographic than the rest of the nation...our Latino and Asian populations, both which overwhemingly vote Democrat aren't very high.

The true bellweather states are now places like NC, GA, AZ...Ohio is going to become less and less important nationally

I beg to differ when it comes to Asians - they lean conservative, both politically and religiously.

The most conservative people in my University town, NYC suburb were Asians. They had their own Evangelical churches.

I do agree about Latinos, with the exception of Cubans.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by sheena12

I beg to differ when it comes to Asians - they lean conservative, both politically and religiously.

The most conservative people in my University town, NYC suburb were Asians. They had their own Evangelical churches.

I do agree about Latinos, with the exception of Cubans.

Vietnamese tend to vote Republican for the same reason as Cubans, but most Asians vote for Democrats, even if they themselves may be socially conservative. Possibly because the GOP is less about actual conservatism these days than nationalism and rugged individualism.

[KY_Transplant]

Originally Posted by sheena12

Your assessment is spot on. I'm a transplant and I have lived here for seven years.

Although I personally do not know anyone who voted for Trump, I live in a smaller, diverse city. While I have no current plans to leave the state, we are moving from our current home within the next few years. We are empty nesters and it's too large and needs constant work and there is too much property. If we do stay in Ohio, I would totally avoid any place rural, and even some suburbs. Someplace like Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights or University Heights.

I was SHOCKED that Ohio did not vote blue. Since I've lived here, we have had two conservative governors for whom I did not vote. Despite my disagreements with both of them, I do not think of either as Trumpublicans.

If we stay in OH, it would most likely be in an urban or inner-ring suburb. If OH becomes anything like a state like Missouri or Indiana - or most southern states - we will leave.

Why the hate on Indiana? Hopefully Ohio does become more like Indiana as they have a balanced State budget, properly and legally funded public schools, good infrastructure and a growing economy.

For decades, Ohio has been stagnant, especially its cities, due to Democratic leadership. Cleveland for example, is a cesspool of corruption, poverty, and stagnant employment. Youngstown is another example of failed democratic leadership for years that only saw poverty increase, crime increase and jobs go away. Finally, blue collar workers and laborers said enough with Unions which shows the big shift in Ohio’s voting patterns. Blue collar workers turned out for Trump and are part of the new Republican Party.

Sounds like Ohio may not be the best State for your politics, perhaps California or the Northeast would be more fitting.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Cruzincat

First off, I don't live in Ohio, but I was born and raised there. I am asking this question because, historically the candidate that wins Ohio, usually wins the election.

All the other battleground states seemed to switch, in the middle of the night, to Biden, in what a lot of people seem to think was some suspicious goings ons. Ohio was the exception.

The question I have, out of ignorance of the election laws in Ohio, is, "Are there laws or procedures in Ohio that might explain why there is no question of voter or election fraud?"

Or could it be they tried but fell short?

Does Ohio have something to teach the rest of the country?

It is my feeling that enough is not done for election security, and there should be procedures in place that eliminate any question that an election could be stolen by anyone.

Trump has deeply divided rural and urban America. In Ohio, large cities and suburbs generally moved left, but exurbs and rural areas moved further right. Counties where Democrats were winning 35%-50% of the vote pre-Trump are now only giving them 20%. Trump has been able to rally rural whites with little to no higher education, blue collar workers that- for whatever reason- seem to believe he cares about them, older Boomers and racists, all of which Ohio has a lot of outside the cities. That base was more than enough to counter the turnout in cities. Democrats also didn't put much effort into actually winning Ohio. There were paths without it for them, so there was much less focus there.

All that said, the question is whether Ohio is now lost as a swing state. The big unknown with that is whether those Trump voters will turnout in the same numbers when he's no longer on the ballot. That doesn't seem likely, but it also seems unlikely that some of his voters will drift back to the Democrats in the future. Trump inspires nothing if not absolute, unquestioning loyalty, and that loyalty seems unlikely to be as strong with future Republicans or Democrats. As such, if they don't turn out for Republicans in the future, that could allow the state to go blue again with a strong Democratic candidate. Furthermore, the only areas of the state actually growing- Cincinnati and Columbus- are turning more blue over time, while red areas have low or negative growth rates with low birth rates and little to no in-migration, so there's only so long those places will have as much power as they do now.

As for election security, the biggest issue is not domestic fraud and never has been, despite claims by the Trump group. It is foreign electronic interference.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by nadnerb

This.

Also, Ohio isn't really a bellwether state anymore. It has been trending more conservative relative to the national average for the last 15 years or so.

This isn't true. Ohio has LONG been about 2 points more red than the nation as a whole, and that was true right through 2012. Trump has been an enormous outlier versus the past 30 years, which is why there is some question as to its staying power.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by ram2

The city of Detroit has been voting Democrat since 1962. That has turned out to be a disaster.

Detroit's problems go far, far deeper than local leadership and the city would've ended up in pretty much the same condition regardless of what politicians led it.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by sheerbliss

If Ohio is producing enough well-educated people to have a brain drain, they're doing better on that front than Democrat-run inner cities.

Um, it is CITIES that are producing the educated population because that's where most of the schools are. You guys just throw dumb claims out like this without even thinking.