Moving to Youngstown Ohio from Florida need info.

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Originally Posted by KenD

Dull and boring suburbs sound like just what I'm looking for.

Welcome to the Mahoning Valley! You may choose between Austintown, Boardman, Canfield, and Poland. The property is cheap, and there is nothing to do in any of them.

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Originally Posted by Noates

Hello, I was just wondering...<i>ts now January and I read your post, How do you like Youngstown?? I am also moving up there from Florida and I am not good with change, I know its going to be a big one so let me know how you like it.</i><br />
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<i>Thank you,</i><br />
<i>Nicole</i>

i know you weren't writing me, noates, but since no one else is answering you i will.

there must be some reason why you want to leave the sunshine and opportunities in florida. whatever it is that you are trying to find will not be in youngstown unless it is a person within your family, a spouse, or sick person who needs care.
if you are trying to start a business, there is not enough money around for people to buy your product with any degree of certainty. plus, the union mentality will make it harder for you to hire people and the heating costs get a bit out of hand up north. if you are trying to flip a house, you will not be able to find anyone to buy. if you are wanting some place small and boring, you can stilll find safer elsewhere in ohio.


despite what some people on this message may have you believe, youngstown is still a small, dying town full of people trying to leave. there are no job opportunities in youngstown nor enough money around to create them. one mayor can not make up for a county full of corrupt politicians which makes real change impossible. the positive attitudes of a few people on the internet have yet to change anything on the ground; thus, many people in the mahoning valley are negative. indeed, youngstown is still comparable to gary, indiana.

[KenD]

Originally Posted by CortlandGirl79

I don't think he/she was looking for anything here, i was assuming they were visiting the area (perhaps for the holidays). I was questioning what areas he or she went to that were so "bland, a little run down, and soulless".

Upon rereading my response to you, I realized that I should have been a little more descriptive, my apologies.

When I asked about what watchoverme was looking for, I was asking that from more of a what "exciting" meant to them.

If we are to believe the movies and television, some people think being involved in gunfights as exciting, not that many of us are looking for that kind of excitement.

Others find winter, with bare trees and plants in hibernation, as being ugly and boring while I was raised in a four season climate and love the beauty that each season brings.

To me, boring means stable, somewhat unchanging, known and safe. To others, the lack of a nightlife or a fast paced lifestyle is hopelessly mundane.

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if you want safe, i can see why you are choosing the west side over the other parts of youngstown. i'd stick with the suburbs, though, because there is less crime in them due to the gm workers living out in them. if you want stable, you will have to hope that the gm lordstown assembly never closes; it is the last pillar holding up the local economy.

[KenD]

And I know you weren't responding to me, 000000, but I thought this post might help you and some of the other people here understand me and my feelings about Youngstown a little better. I took the liberty of editing down your original message for brevity and hopefully did not change the context.

Originally Posted by 000000

if you are trying to start a business, there is not enough money around for people to buy your product with any degree of certainty.

This is a somewhat shortsighted view, in today's world. While many businesses we can both name are solely dependent on the local economy, in this day and age the internet has opened up the entire world as your customer base.

Originally Posted by 000000

plus, the union mentality will make it harder for you to hire people and the heating costs get a bit out of hand up north.

At one time Youngstown had one of the highest qualities of life in the United States, if not the world. Damn those unions for making sure their members got a decent wage. Just out of curiosity, do you see any conflict between your statement (above) where you claim that "there is not enough money around for people to buy your product" and here where you curse the unions for trying to get enough money for people to have a decent wage?

Originally Posted by 000000

if you are trying to flip a house, you will not be able to find anyone to buy.

If you're trying to flip a house, guess what, you're only adding to the inflation and housing bubble that just burst - no thank you. What we want (and need) is people who are willing to move here, set down roots, and actually DO SOMETHING to make this place a better tomorrow. Of course, that's only my opinion, maybe having an entire city full of house flippers to sell each other homes is a sound economic plan.

Originally Posted by 000000

if you are wanting some place small and boring, you can stilll find safer elsewhere in ohio.

And there's always Kansas...

Originally Posted by 000000

despite what some people on this message may have you believe, youngstown is still a small, dying town full of people trying to leave.

As is Detroit, St. Louis and probably 100 other cities in this country - so what?

When I was a kid, a long, long time ago, I used to visit my grandmother on the far side of Boston from where I was raised. I clearly remember the urban blight, boarded up buildings, cars, on the streets, up on jacks, stripped and burnt out and block after block of abandoned homes.

Sound familiar?

I also know that one mayor and a group of motivated people turned Boston around in a relatively short period of time and the city is still doing pretty well all these years later.

But this takes vision, commitment and a plan the people are willing to stick to.

Originally Posted by 000000

there are no job opportunities in youngstown nor enough money around to create them.

I see.

So someone else needs to provide you with a job? And exactly why should they do this?

Here's a tip - unsolicited as it might be - jobs are so last century.

Get a skill, a skill that people are willing to pay you for, and market it. In this century people are forming what is known as "microcorporations" which is a loose term for their own business. This is the fastest growing segment of the job market in the United States and allows people like me from having to hire people, with all the baggage that entails. Instead, I can hire a contractor and pay him an excellent billing rate, and should anything not work out I go get another one.

Originally Posted by 000000

one mayor can not make up for a county full of corrupt politicians which makes real change impossible.

Please tell Kevin White that.
I'm sure he'll want to know.

Now, let me tell you what I see.

I see a city full of potential, a city that has a trained workforce, one with one of the lowest cost of living rates in the United States. A place with a metric boatload of manufacturing capacity and a mayor that wants to get the economy going. In short, Youngstown is a place that with the right people in place, is poised to take off and retain somewhat of it's former glory.

As opposed to Gary, Indiana, which has, well, nothing.

Originally Posted by 000000

the positive attitudes of a few people on the internet have yet to change anything on the ground; thus, many people in the mahoning valley are negative. indeed, youngstown is still comparable to gary, indiana.

Maybe you're right, we should all just resign ourselves to starving to death.

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retracted due to a misunderstanding.

i had some real zingers in there, too.

[KenD]

Originally Posted by 000000

retracted due to a misunderstanding.

i had some real zingers in there, too.

I was hoping that the picture of Dorothy would convey the lightheartedness of some of what I posted but sarcasm and friendly ribbing are oftentimes misunderstood in the written medium.

I'm sorry if I raised your blood pressure.

And thanks for all the help.

[Arca84]

Wow! I thought the same thing; now I can't give the house away, Youngstown is a real nightmare!! I like the area but it's just overrun with crime and the police there hold high regards for their criminals. In fact they have told me if I don't tear down my house they will but me in jail. But will not touch the person who destroyed my house- even with overwhelming evidence on who did it. But if anyone wants a .33 land on the west side let me know.

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Originally Posted by Arca84

Wow! I thought the same thing; now I can't give the house away, Youngstown is a real nightmare!! I like the area but it's just overrun with crime and the police there hold high regards for their criminals. In fact they have told me if I don't tear down my house they will but me in jail. But will not touch the person who destroyed my house- even with overwhelming evidence on who did it. But if anyone wants a .33 land on the west side let me know.

while i generally want to agree with someone who sees youngstown for what it is, i have no idea about what you are trying to express here or how it has any basis in reality.