Ohio: Economically depressed? (Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati: 2010, insurance, condos)

[chikaranotori]

raised in Canton, and recently moved to North Lima (near Y-town). and i agree, there may be a turn around, the problem is: How long will we have to wait? those of us who don't have a large amount of savings to work with or a great job have to go wherever we think it might get better. if that is out of Ohio (as many people seem to think who have moved), then so be it.

there are so many things that lead us down this merry path, but a great deal of it boils down to greed. greed of the people in the suburbs who sing the praises of their metro area, but God forbid the poor from said area come to their suburbs, because then they are looked down on. greed of politcians whose "good ol' boy" mentality was concerned more with being elected to a new term than the well-being of the people casting those votes, big labor that saw only the bottom dollar and the foreign workers who could best supply them with that, not with workers who spent a lifetime filling their coffers.

yes, ohio is dying in so many ways. it's sad, but sometimes, it takes the death of one thing for something better to be created. hopefully, these elections, and the desire for enormous chnage by the citizens will actually help ohio rise again.

[chikaranotori]

and Alaskapat258, i didn't notice there was a discussion already going on about this until i started scanning the Cleveland sub-thread part of the forum, lol!

it was just posted today on Yahoo news and i saw it when reading my email.

[Alaskapat528]

Originally Posted by chikaranotori

and Alaskapat258, i didn't notice there was a discussion already going on about this until i started scanning the Cleveland sub-thread part of the forum, lol!

it was just posted today on Yahoo news and i saw it when reading my email.

Oh, I hope I didn't come across as being a smart-aleck about it, was just pointing it out and that's what fueled so many comments. BTW what line of work are you in if you don't mind my asking.

[Buckeye in SC]

Originally Posted by Alaskapat528

Actually this story ran earlier this week. And when these cities DO make a come-back, with all the folks that have left, that means more jobs for those who stayed getting their foot in the door first. It's going to be hard and will require much better leadership but I do believe these cities will make a come-back. Then those who left will come running back looking for job. It's tough job-wise and economy wise ALL over. There is no mecca. What city do you reside in?

I don't know that we'll "come running back" when all the jobs return. I will say it would be nice to have that option when we start a family to be able to return home to the area and have some decent paying jobs available if we decide too. However, we like our new city, it's location, climate, cultural offerings, proximity to the beach, and the list goes on. So unless we experience - as well as all the other cities that people have relocated too - a sharp downturn in our economies, who is to say we will want to return even if the area starts booming again? The economy is tough to some extent all over the country right now, but even in Columbia where the unemployment rate is higher than the national rate by a little (I think right around 6%), but lower than Ohio, it was fairly easy for both of us to find a job here w/no ties at all - don't think the same can be said for NE Ohio right now, in fact I know it can't b/c that is why we moved!

[Alaskapat528]

Originally Posted by Buckeye in SC

I don't know that we'll "come running back" when all the jobs return. I will say it would be nice to have that option when we start a family to be able to return home to the area and have some decent paying jobs available if we decide too. However, we like our new city, it's location, climate, cultural offerings, proximity to the beach, and the list goes on. So unless we experience - as well as all the other cities that people have relocated too - a sharp downturn in our economies, who is to say we will want to return even if the area starts booming again? The economy is tough to some extent all over the country right now, but even in Columbia where the unemployment rate is higher than the national rate by a little (I think right around 6%), but lower than Ohio, it was fairly easy for both of us to find a job here w/no ties at all - don't think the same can be said for NE Ohio right now, in fact I know it can't b/c that is why we moved!

I'm glad you have found good employment and like your new City. We all have to do what we have to do to survive. What line of work are you in that you found so difficult to find in NE Ohio?

[Buckeye in SC]

It wasn't me so much as my wife. I had a good job in accounting, however, she is a teacher and was laid off from 2 different schools 2 straight years, and was having no luck finding a 3rd shot (not to mention the 2nd position was one totally unrelated to her concentration). She had no problem finding a teaching job here, and I found a job pretty quickly.

[Donna7]

Originally Posted by chikaranotori

raised in Canton, and recently moved to North Lima (near Y-town). and i agree, there may be a turn around, the problem is: How long will we have to wait? those of us who don't have a large amount of savings to work with or a great job have to go wherever we think it might get better. if that is out of Ohio (as many people seem to think who have moved), then so be it.

Good points, Chikaranotori. My husband and I were raised here (him, since birth, me, since we moved from Europe in 1968). We've been here the whole time barring a two year stay in S. CA. We are now 47 and 45, respectively. We have a large family, with our two oldest being 24 and 22. For us, it's fine (for my husband it's fine. For me, I'd rather be in a different climate, both geographically and economically as my business does VERY WELL in other areas of the country). In any case, my husband has a job as a pharmacist. I have a degree in accounting, although I'm not using it. I've had my own business since 1999, in sales and marketing of wellness products. My concern is for our kids. What opportunities will they have here?? My husband's brothers and sisters are all here because they have either retired or are literally less then 3 -5 years to retirement age. The nieces and nephews that are old enough to have graduated from college have left the state - period - all due to job opportunities elsewhere. I can't begrudge them.

there are so many things that lead us down this merry path, but a great deal of it boils down to greed. greed of the people in the suburbs who sing the praises of their metro area, but God forbid the poor from said area come to their suburbs, because then they are looked down on. greed of politcians whose "good ol' boy" mentality was concerned more with being elected to a new term than the well-being of the people casting those votes, big labor that saw only the bottom dollar and the foreign workers who could best supply them with that, not with workers who spent a lifetime filling their coffers.

You got that right. Nothing to add here.

yes, ohio is dying in so many ways. it's sad, but sometimes, it takes the death of one thing for something better to be created. hopefully, these elections, and the desire for enormous chnage by the citizens will actually help ohio rise again.

Yes, Ohio might rise again...I'm not sure that I have the strength to hold on to that hope. I'm looking (figuratively) at my watch and saying, "how much time do I have left to wait while the world is passing by"?

****I should clarify that we've spent our lives in NE OH; this is the area I'm speaking of. I can't speak for the rest of the state.

[xwideopenskyx]

Originally Posted by Alaskapat528

And when these cities DO make a come-back, with all the folks that have left, that means more jobs for those who stayed getting their foot in the door first. It's going to be hard and will require much better leadership but I do believe these cities will make a come-back. Then those who left will come running back looking for job. It's tough job-wise and economy wise ALL over. There is no mecca. What city do you reside in?

I waited for all of my adult life for the city of Cleveland to "comeback".
Why wait if you can live in a thriving and growing area right now. Life is too short! My parents moved from Europe to USA for a better quality of life and lived in Milwaukee for a few years. They decided to move to Cleveland for better job opportunities, steelmills, etc. back in the late 50's early 60's. They did have a decent life there. For me, it was time to move on and find something better. People have always migrated and always will.

As, far as, returning back when things turn around. That is a big "if"!
I doubt it, maybe once I retire. The country side of Ohio is beautiful and is about the only thing that I miss.....the gently rolling hills of the Amish country. If income is not an issue retiring in the countryside sounds great. Maybe in the next 27 years I'll get tired of the constant sunshine here, who knows? But right know I love basking in it!

By the way, here in Tucson, AZ the unemployment rate is at 4.8%, national average is 5.7%, Cleveland is above 7%. Economy is bad across the country but as you can see it hasn't affected this area as much.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by xwideopenskyx

Why wait if you can live in a thriving and growing area right now. Life is too short!

Assuming you can get a good job in both places, what are the advantages of living in a "thriving and growing" area?

If you can't find a good job where you're currently living, that can certainly cause a lot of stress. And, I wouldn't/don't blame you for leaving. But, I don't really have that problem. If I lost my job tomorrow, I wouldn't have too much trouble finding another job in Youngstown. It would be even easier to find another job in my profession in Cleveland. (but not everyone is in the profession of architecture)

People have always migrated and always will.

Very true. At one point, in the U.S., there was a lot of migration from the south to the north, instead of the other way around.

Maybe in the next 27 years I'll get tired of the constant sunshine here, who knows? But right know I love basking in it!

To each their own, I guess. We've had beautiful weather here recently, but I love the variation we have in weather. That makes the beautiful days seem even more beautiful.

[xwideopenskyx]

Originally Posted by JR_C

Assuming you can get a good job in both places, what are the advantages of living in a "thriving and growing" area?

LOL.......You're pulling my leg, right? You don't know the difference?