Dayton+Cincinnati=Good? (Columbus, Cleveland, Akron: homes, university, moving to)

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by hillside

rowhouses, tenements, roadhouses, fire escapes...the east coast is much more centered around contiguous zoning, but the idea is the same. of course brooklyn is more dense. this is not groundbreaking.

bond hill/avondale are not rowhouse areas. i'm convinced you know nothing about cincinnati.

cleveland has a higher pop.density b/c the city has more people. there's no getting around it. i'm not sure why you're arguing about it in the first place. cleveland has very few rowhouses, and it's core areas are as old as some of cincinnati's outer areas.

What are you trying to say and what are you arguing about again?

Stop using things that I said about you, because they dont imply to me. I said you know barely anything about Cleveland, because you dont. You make everyone well aware of that with nearly every post you make regarding Cleveland, with just the sheer lack of knowledge you have about the area. Who are you trying to convince that I dont know about Cincinnati? Me??? Ive lived there before and have family there, and studied that area, so how am I not going to know about it? lol.

I never said Cleveland had many rowhouses, where are you getting that from? it has very few and most of them are new. Cleveland is mostly duplexes and single/multi-family houses with some low-high rises scattered throughout the city and brick apartments and large public housing complexes of mostly brick throughout the city. I dont see any point in this going on because you strayed way off of the inital argument and keep changing the subject when you are proved wrong.

[Daytonnatian]

You guys.....

We want OHIO to progress forward, not just Cincinnati or Cleveland, right?

May I just remind you guys that:

• CINCINNATI IS NOT GOD!
• NEITHER IS CLEVELAND

ONLY DAYTON CAN BE GOD!!!!!!!!! [/sarcasm]
(although I am serious about my B-Ball comments in the thread that is linked below)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/cinci...incinnati.html

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by hillside

otr was once the most densely populated community in the country outside manhattan at a time. even cities like baltimore and philly, their areas of highest density (4-story rows, 5 story apts), it doesn't exceed the maximum density of downtown cincinnati. you see 4, 5, and 6 story buildings, typically 3-5, much like sections of boston and nyc. cincinnati is one of the "taller" cities, in that three and four stories seems to get thrown in everywhere. philly is continuously 2-story going north and south.

cle440, have you been to boston? it's similar to cincinnati in that almost every neighborhood has its own urban vibe, are contrastingly different, but amazingly fit together in a culmination at the old city east and south of downtown. the city builds stamina as you drive from outside the city and get closer and closer to downtown, then you're set back by this colorful urban jungle. a few miles and thousands of buildings later, and you're in the cbd. cincinnati is like brooklyn without the hi-rise projects, cleveland is like the backstreets of queens.

they don't call cincinnati and cleveland "day and night" for no reason. for guys who know a lot about cincinnati, you didn't notice the rowhouses in carthage coming south on route 4, northside, the old westside, mount adams, colerain ave, uptown...

cle440, i'm from the bond hill-avondale area, yes. have you been to avondale or bond hill?

wood frame? CLEVELAND is calling cincinnati wood frame? something isn't adding up...

you don't have a clue about cincinnati, get on google streetview or something, but don't sit up here making asinine statements. if you think rowhouses and towns are only downtown, actually exploring cincinnati instead of pretending to have done such might open up a whole new world for you.

You have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Boston is a very dense city at 12,000 ppl per sq mile... Cinci is no where near the same as that. And yes, I have been to Boston, many times. I love the city and nothing about it reminds me of Cinci.

And you don't know anything about Cleveland. It's more densely populated. Maybe you have the perception it's all houses based on some pictures you've seen - but you fail to realize the amount of apartment complexes and housing projects (pj's) in the city. Clevleand isn't all single family/ multi family duplexes, mixed in are brick apartment buildings of all sizes. I really really really think you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. I actually laugh out loud and your hypocrisy.. The best part is, you are going to reply with more nonsense.

And you logic about "Of course Cleveland is more dense, it's more populated" is utterly retarded. With that logic - every city with a higher population than Cleveland is more dense? Simply not true. I don't know why hillside - but you trying to convince people about things based on falsehoods and retarded jargon. Your arguments have no substance except you bickering off stuff you THINK you know, but really have no idea.

And for christ sake, yes I've seen the rowhouses and townhomes in Cinci, that doesn't make it ANYTHING like the cities you've listed. At the same time that doesn't make the entire city DENSELY POPULATED. Man, you're an idiot. I really hate name calling but you are easily one of the most dumbfounded characters I have came across on the internet.

And a hint, don't speak about "knowing" or lying that you've been to cities and know all about the infastructure. I've traveled the US and based on that alone, I know your full of.... you know what.

[BelieveInCleve]

WeSoHood, I agree with most of what you said in that last post. The truth hurts for some people.


Hillside, I feel like I should take this time to let you in on a few things that you might or might not know about yourself that some of us have noticed. Now, I dont know you personally, but based on what you say on city-data, Im willing to bet that you havent really been to most of these places that you say you have. Easy, its just an observation. Most of us are somewhat bias towards our own cities(I know I am to some degree), but your bias towards Cincinnati is just ridiculous, and self centered. Not to mention you are in complete denial. When someone brings up stats that say another area is more this-or-that (something you wish wasnt true) than Cincinnati (or Hamilton, etc.), you disagree with that even if its an official stat and you are continously being proved wrong. You completely ignore the stats and everyone elses views and opinions (which are right most the time) and continue to argue and stick with your beliefs, and hopes, no matter how ridiculous they are. When you find one little stat that is insignificant or false, but it agrees with what your trying to say, you run with it no matter what, even if that false stat is proven wrong. Ocassionaly when you get flat-out proved wrong, you start to change the subject, when that doesnt work you start to insult people and bash and put down other areas. Its immature and ridiculous.

To put it simply, I believe that you, and a few others, are the main reason for a lot of the arguments in the Ohio forum. It just has to do with the fact that honestly you dont really know what your talking about. You study cities for a living for a "salary", and in all honesty I dont really believe youve really been to most places you talk about, and if you have it was for a very short time (you ask for pictures of places youve supposedly already been to a lot, that alone gives it away). Take Lorain or Cleveland for example, you admitted youve been to Lorain once in your life for a very short time and then you have the nerve to act like your some expert, that alone makes me not believe you know about most the other areas you are talking about also. I study urban areas too (not for a salary), but I have actually been to almost all of these places I am talking about, and if I havent been there I dont act like Im an expert on the place. Its very easy for people to lie and exagerrate on here, because its all anonymous. You on the other hand lie and exaggerate about things, but make everyone well aware you know little about them, and people like me correct you so you argue. If I say I know a lot about place, I do. If I say Ive been someplace, I have. Its just against my beliefs to lie or exaggerate about places, especially on someplace like this. If I make a mistake and someone corrects me, then Ill admit that. So please, if you talk about a place, make sure you know what your talking about for real. Dont act like you know about some place just to stay in the conversation, admit that you dont know that much about it. I know that was long, but hopefully this is the only time Ill have to say this to you, and will save all of us a lot of time in the future. Thank you.

[Buckeye 89]

All you guys stretch out what you think you know about cities, What your saying about Hillside can be said about you (cle). But come on. Yall seriously arguing about density? Someone needs to get a girlfriend or a hobby

[JefferyT]

We want OHIO to progress forward, not just Cincinnati or Cleveland, right?

May I just remind you guys that:

* CINCINNATI IS NOT GOD!
* NEITHER IS CLEVELAND

...heh, another urban ohio circle jerk.

Actually both these towns are pretty crappy compared to Pittsburgh. I was in Pbgh again two weeks ago and again fell in love with the place.

[Cincy-Rise]

WeSoHood, you went pretty low in that last post of yours man.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by JefferyT

...heh, another urban ohio circle jerk.

Actually both these towns are pretty crappy compared to Pittsburgh. I was in Pbgh again two weeks ago and again fell in love with the place.

I love Pburgh too.

One thing that I've noticed is that the locals there look down on their city just as much as Cincy or Cleveland residents do.

[hillside]

we so hood and cle440, if you have a densely built city i.e. cleveland, and you have 440,000 in 80 sq miles, that is going to appear denser than a city built for a higher maximum density than cleveland i.e. cincinnati, but only has 330,000 in 80 sq miles.

boston has 617,000 in 50 sq miles and has more density than cincinnati. cinci is a 3-4 story city. boston is 4-5.

we so hood: but you fail to realize the amount of apartment complexes and housing projects (pj's) in the city. Clevleand isn't all single family/ multi family duplexes, mixed in are brick apartment buildings of all sizes. I really really really think you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. I actually laugh out loud and your hypocrisy.. The best part is, you are going to reply with more nonsense.

we so hood, those housing units are obvious, and typically not worth mentioning when discussing a large northern metropolis unless the person you're talking to isn't from america or can't put 2 and 2 together. i was clearly discussing cleveland-style family dwellings. resume laughing.

cle440: You study cities for a living for a "salary", and in all honesty I dont really believe youve really been to most places you talk about, and if you have it was for a very short time (you ask for pictures of places youve supposedly already been to a lot, that alone gives it away).

i ask for proof. if you can show me some of this urban jungle, or some of that utter destruction, your credibility will rise. points will be earned, and more importantly, your point will be validated. until then, no stamp. dunn couldn't have put that one farther above your head.

we so hood: And you logic about "Of course Cleveland is more dense, it's more populated" is utterly retarded. With that logic - every city with a higher population than Cleveland is more dense? Simply not true. I don't know why hillside - but you trying to convince people about things based on falsehoods and retarded jargon. Your arguments have no substance except you bickering off stuff you THINK you know, but really have no idea.

does this sound like bickering to anybody else?

you managed to improperly use the adjective "retarded" as an ignorant insult twice in four complete sentences. using the noun "jargon" with the adjective "retarded" places the notion that the subject is actually mentally retarded in question, because in order to satisfy the rules of engaging in "jargon", the subject must have a broad cache of recollections in which to engage in specific language. this requires average and above-average cognitive brain function, neither of which retarded people have.

your other attempt at using the adjective "retarded" with the adverb "utterly" might have flown with a disillusioned high school teacher, but perhaps calling me an "utter idiot" would have been a cleaner toilet to **** on.

retarded people don't deserve to be demeaned by anyone, particularly an individual with healthy human cognitive skills who can't manage to get an insult right.

[Cincy-Rise]

It doesn't matter anyway, because one city is growing and the other is shrinking. It's pretty simple to figure out the year these two cities will cross the same population benchmark. I figured it up to be in 7 years. Could be sooner, could be longer, but at this pace it's going to happen. Can Cleveland stop the exodus ... that's the question?