Dayton+Cincinnati=Good? (Columbus, Cleveland, Toledo: live in, bus, to move)

[1watertiger]

cinci-rise, your correct.... cleveland has some major projects that can continue to transform the city and make it grow. universitycircle,medical mart/medical field,fresh water..our so-called leaders hold this city back. the metro is stablizing compared to even 10yrs ago and imo will grow again. but will it happen in my life ? when did cinci start to grow again ?

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by hillside

i ask for proof. if you can show me some of this urban jungle, or some of that utter destruction, your credibility will rise. points will be earned, and more importantly, your point will be validated. until then, no stamp. dunn couldn't have put that one farther above your head.

Thanks for completely ignoring the rest of my post(s) as you always do. The truth is that you ask for pictures, because youve never been there before. If you had been to these places Im talking about, why would you need pictures to see what they looked like?

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

It doesn't matter anyway, because one city is growing and the other is shrinking. It's pretty simple to figure out the year these two cities will cross the same population benchmark. I figured it up to be in 7 years. Could be sooner, could be longer, but at this pace it's going to happen. Can Cleveland stop the exodus ... that's the question?

7 years? Wrong. Its nowhere close.

Up until just a few years ago, Cincinnati was still losing population. Lets look at the census numbers and estimates for both cities:
Cleveland: (2000)-478,403 (2007)-438,042
Cincinnati: (2000)-331,285 (2007)-332,458

Lets estimate how long it will take. Cleveland lost about 5,700 per year, and Cincinnati gained about 150 per year. Lets say Cincinnati will start gaining at a faster rate, and Cleveland will lose at a slower rate. Lets say Cincinnati starts gaining 1,000 per year, and Cleveland starts losing 4,500 per year. In that situation it would take 20 years before the populations cross. Of course theres a more accurate formula, buts its impossible to tell when the cities will start gaining and losing more. What I do know is that every year Cleveland loses people at a slower and slower rate, it will start gaining earlier than 20 years. Cincinnati is barely gaining at all right now, it will most likely grow at a very slow rate. So, IMO, I dont think the cities will ever cross populations the way it is now, Cincinnati will never have more people than Cleveland unless it annexes other cities or merges with the county. Thats the truth.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Cle440

7 years? Wrong. Its nowhere close.

Up until just a few years ago, Cincinnati was still losing population. Lets look at the census numbers and estimates for both cities:
Cleveland: (2000)-478,403 (2007)-438,042
Cincinnati: (2000)-331,285 (2007)-332,458

Lets estimate how long it will take. Cleveland lost about 5,700 per year, and Cincinnati gained about 150 per year. Lets say Cincinnati will start gaining at a faster rate, and Cleveland will lose at a slower rate. Lets say Cincinnati starts gaining 1,000 per year, and Cleveland starts losing 4,500 per year. In that situation it would take 20 years before the populations cross. Of course theres a more accurate formula, buts its impossible to tell when the cities will start gaining and losing more. What I do know is that every year Cleveland loses people at a slower and slower rate, it will start gaining earlier than 20 years. Cincinnati is barely gaining at all right now, it will most likely grow at a very slow rate. So, IMO, I dont think the cities will ever cross populations the way it is now, Cincinnati will never have more people than Cleveland unless it annexes other cities or merges with the county. Thats the truth.

It's simple math, but you're looking at it the wrong way ...

Here's what you're doing, your subtracting the pop. differences and then looking at 7 years and dividing the pop. difference by the amount of years. You can't do that.

Your flaw ... what's the next number in this sequence:

5
10
20
40
80
???


Above we have 6 sets of numbers, with an average total amount of 52.5 based on each set ... Does this have anything to do with the sixth set or the missing number? If I knew 52.5 was the average per set (i.e. year) and there were 6 sets total, then I could come up with growth rate, but I would have to know one or the other first.

The same can be said for a negative amount.

[Cincy-Rise]

Let me know if you don't get it and I'll PM you how to do this.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by hillside

we so hood and cle440, if you have a densely built city i.e. cleveland, and you have 440,000 in 80 sq miles, that is going to appear denser than a city built for a higher maximum density than cleveland i.e. cincinnati, but only has 330,000 in 80 sq miles.

Actually, Cleveland has the infastructure for around 900,000 + people. If the city was at full capacity - or the same as in the 1930s, the population density would be around 13,000 per square mile. Surely, someone has to have a number of housing units in each city for Cinci and Ctown.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

Actually, Cleveland has the infastructure for around 900,000 + people. If the city was at full capacity - or the same as in the 1930s, the population density would be around 13,000 per square mile. Surely, someone has to have a number of housing units in each city for Cinci and Ctown.

That's cool and all, but you're still not addressing Cleveland losing a hell of a lot more people. Cincinnati is gaining in population. Not in droves, but a lot compared to Cleveland's gain/loss. If Cincy were stagnant, not gaining anything at all, it's still doing a lot better than Cleveland as far as population goes.

In other words there'll be a lot of empty homes.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

That's cool and all, but you're still not addressing Cleveland losing a hell of a lot more people. Cincinnati is gaining in population. Not in droves, but a lot compared to Cleveland's gain/loss. If Cincy were stagnant, not gaining anything at all, it's still doing a lot better than Cleveland as far as population goes.

In other words there'll be a lot of empty homes.

Oh yes. Cleveland has been losing people steadily for 50 years now. That's nothing new. There are already heaps of empty homes in Cleveland - yet the density is still 2,000 more per square mile than Cincy.

As far as population goes, Cleveland still takes the cake.. and I don't see Cincy overtaking Cleveland in population for 20 some odd years - that's IF Cleveland doesn't rebound. Still, the metropolitian area of Cleveland is holding strong. Medina is one of the fastest growing communities in Ohio, as well as Lorain County. I mean Northeast Ohio still has 4.5 million people - almost HALF of Ohio's entire population... why it isn't all grouped into one metro area is beyond my belief. It takes me 25 minutes to get to Akron from downtown Cleveland, and only 45 to Canton.

Cincy though, as a city, isn't growing at a tremendous rate and I don't see that increasing with our economy. The problem with Ohio is the lack of transients immigrants moving to the region - they barely exist. As well as the brain drain, taking jobs and ideas elsewhere. But there are communities in and around Cincy and Cleveland that continue to grow, which is a positive.

[Mr. Answers]

Originally Posted by Daytonnatian

You guys.....

We want OHIO to progress forward, not just Cincinnati or Cleveland, right?


May I just remind you guys that:

• CINCINNATI IS NOT GOD!
• NEITHER IS CLEVELAND

Of course not. Everyone knows Columbus IS Ohio.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

As far as population goes, Cleveland still takes the cake.. and I don't see Cincy overtaking Cleveland in population for 20 some odd years - that's IF Cleveland doesn't rebound.

Do the math, its 7 years. Even the metro is bleeding.

Still, the metropolitian area of Cleveland is holding strong.

Actually, the metro of Cleveland is losing population. One of the few if not the only of the midwest.

Medina is one of the fastest growing communities in Ohio, as well as Lorain County. I mean Northeast Ohio still has 4.5 million people - almost HALF of Ohio's entire population... why it isn't all grouped into one metro area is beyond my belief.

Every state's population is made up of its major cities. Same applies for OH. Cincy and Cleveland make up most of OH's population. Nothing new under the sun.

Cincy though, as a city, isn't growing at a tremendous rate and I don't see that increasing with our economy.

Cincy isn't growing in record numbers, but its growing. One of the few in the midwest to do so. The problem is, is that Cleveland is literally bleeding population like its going out of style.

As well as the brain drain, taking jobs and ideas elsewhere. But there are communities in and around Cincy and Cleveland that continue to grow, which is a positive.

The only region with growth is Cbus and Cincinnati.