Dayton+Cincinnati=Good? (Columbus, Cleveland, Toledo: how much, relocate to, land)

[Cincy-Rise]

WeSoHood, you're too easy! lol ... at least give us something to ponder about!

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Do the math, its 7 years. Even the metro is bleeding.

Out of every formula you could possible use, none of them comes anywhere close to 7 years. Where are you getting that from??? Itll be at least 19 years, and thats only if Cleveland doesnt start gaining population again, which it will. You have no idea what you are talking about. Cleveland is losing people at a slower and slower rate every year, in a short while, it will level out and start gaining again. Cincinnati was losing population up until a few years ago, and right now its pretty much stagnant. The city of Cincinnatis population is barely budging. I wouldnt even consider it growing, its just stable.

You are also wrong about the midwest metros. Detroits metro is barely stable, but the city is losing at an amazing rate. Your beloved Dayton (the metro and city) is losing population, as is Springfield. Youngstown, Flint, South Bend, Saginaw, Waterloo, Sioux city, and several other metros in the midwest are all losing population.

[WeSoHood]

7 years? God no. That is stupidest assumption ever. Even the metro is bleeding? Northeast Ohio is about 40% of Ohios population.

But please... in 7 years, Cincy will not be more populated than Cleveland.. I don't understand the idiocy of these boards.

I'm so easy? You responded with obvious, unremarkable statements. Cincy gained 1,000 people last year .. big whoop. I wouldn't be surprised if you start losing people soon. And Clevelands metro is fine.

I just laugh at the bullcrap about Cincy growing - you are barely gaining anyone. If Cincy were to surpass Cleveland in population in 7 years.. that means Cleveland would need to lose over 10,000 people a year... which is again, utterly retarded.

Bottom line is this:

Cincy isn't some up and coming city with a tremendous growth rate. Actually it's the opposite - gaining a 1,000 people isn't anything noteworthy. Cleveland has been losing people since the 50s, so no need to point that out, geniuses. Clevelands metro area is and still will be for many years to come the most populated area of the state. Keep dreamin' Cincy-Rise. I will honestly send you $100 if in 7 years, Cleveland loses 100,000 people and Cincy overtakes them in population.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Do the math, its 7 years. Even the metro is bleeding.





Actually, the metro of Cleveland is losing population. One of the few if not the only of the midwest.




Every state's population is made up of its major cities. Same applies for OH. Cincy and Cleveland make up most of OH's population. Nothing new under the sun.



Cincy isn't growing in record numbers, but its growing. One of the few in the midwest to do so. The problem is, is that Cleveland is literally bleeding population like its going out of style.



The only region with growth is Cbus and Cincinnati.

1. 7 years... are you slow?
2. Only metro losing population in the midwest? Strong lack of knowledge. Atleast use google. Detroit, St Louis, etc... ONLY metro losing population made me laugh.. out loud.
3. Of course major cities make up the majority population of states.. Captain Obvious strikes again.
4. Cincy is hardly growing. It was losing people up until a couple years ago. I don't think Cincy will ever have a population over 375,000 in the next 20-30 years. If anything, you will start losing people again.

I mean LOL, how soon do you forget:

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...WS01/606210361

I mean this article just a couple years ago stated:

Cincinnati's population will drop below 300,000 by the 2010 census and is expected to be at just above 288,000 by 2012.

But now Cincy is going to somehow leap Cleveland? LOL

[BelieveInCleve]

As WeSoHood similarly stated, the majority of the estimates for the population of Cincinnati actually have it lower than in 2000. Ive seen estimates near 300,000, which would mean Cincinnati lost 30,000+ in the past 7 years. The official estimate says about 332,000, which only means Cincinnatis population is stable.

Cincinnatis metro on the other hand has grown by 6% since 2000. 6% might seem good for the midwest and Ohio, but its not really that much. For example, Dallas and Houston grew by 20%, and there are many metros that grew even more than that.

[Vision-Quest]

I would think they would need a high speed rail for a metro this big because I-75 would be packed if it isn't already. I would think they would need some kind of metro commuter, but that would be a big challange because of all the steep hills. Maybe a state of the art bus system that would kind of be like the old Grayhound. If I was working as a regional planner for the area, (which i hope to do), my first consern would be mass transit/transportation issues. It's better to worry about them early then late, because it would cause massive traffic delays and it would take hours to get to work, depending on where you live and where you work ofcourse.

Look at Detroit, No mass transit, no bus, nothing except an 8 lane freeway system that needs a lot of work and 8 lane avenues that go to downtown like Woodward Ave., Grand River Ave., Gratiot Ave., and Michigan Ave. Those roads are claughed with traffic and the road system in Detroit isn't that bad, they just need a metro transit system that doesn't make the freeways so bad.

Cincinnati couldn't use a subway that would go anywhere other than downtown because of the hills, they might be able to use an amtrack but it will come with tons of obsticals. But every city/metro area has obsticals that they need to face and come up with a solution. LA and Denver have a smog problem, they are working on it, but they havent found a solution for it yet. Indy and Columbus as well as many others don't have anything transportation wise either. Indy is critisized greatly for that problem. Chicago for a while was loosing population at a rate close to how Cincinnati was, but they have found a way to stop that rate and start bringing people back, just like Cincinnati is.

My 2nd worry would be bringing more jobs to the area. I would focus on not only manufacturing industries but high tech industries aswell. Cincinnati is in a great location for a fortune 500 company headquarters with the river right by for shipping and with the multiple frieght train railroads as well. We have I-75 which goes from canada to Miama, I-71 which connects Cleveland, Columbus, and Louisville to Cincinnati, and I-74 which goes to Indianapolis which from there you can go to pretty much any city in the west. I would also focus on bringing more commercial office jobs to the downtown area as it's doing right now. I would put some more architecture to the skyline and clean up the river front in some areas that might need it. I would also expand the riverfront park and make up for the miles of concrete along the river.

There is much more i would like to do to help the city grow even more and solve more problems Cincinnati might have.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

4. Cincy is hardly growing. It was losing people up until a couple years ago. I don't think Cincy will ever have a population over 375,000 in the next 20-30 years. If anything, you will start losing people again.
But now Cincy is going to somehow leap Cleveland? LOL (Emphasis mine)

Ok -- clear the lake effect snow out of your brain and read the quote again... it clearly states REGION - not CITY!
The newspaper article you cite tells of a guy who is trying to decide wheter to move from Pleasant Ridge to Westchester (a decicsion, by the way many people are making).

When he makes that move, the population of the CITY will go down but the population of the region will not be affected and would further the subject of this discussion by increasing the population of the corridor between Dayton and Cincinnati - indeed the Enquire Article cited makes this very point!

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by The Don

Ok -- clear the lake effect snow out of your brain and read the quote again... it clearly states REGION - not CITY!
The newspaper article you cite tells of a guy who is trying to decide wheter to move from Pleasant Ridge to Westchester (a decicsion, by the way many people are making).

When he makes that move, the population of the CITY will go down but the population of the region will not be affected and would further the subject of this discussion by increasing the population of the corridor between Dayton and Cincinnati - indeed the Enquire Article cited makes this very point!

We were all mainly on the topic of the city of Cincinnati, not the metro or region. Hence comparing the city populations for like the past 10 posts...

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by The Don

Ok -- clear the lake effect snow out of your brain and read the quote again... it clearly states REGION - not CITY!
The newspaper article you cite tells of a guy who is trying to decide wheter to move from Pleasant Ridge to Westchester (a decicsion, by the way many people are making).

When he makes that move, the population of the CITY will go down but the population of the region will not be affected and would further the subject of this discussion by increasing the population of the corridor between Dayton and Cincinnati - indeed the Enquire Article cited makes this very point!

The sub-discussion we were having was mainly about the CITY of Cincy, so I'm disregarding your post.

[Hey_Hey]

I'm originally from Kentucky (living now in Toledo), and I just got back from a weekend in Cleveland. That place is depressing (and remember I live in Toledo!). Not quite as bad as my experience with Detroit or Buffalo, but pretty close. Driving around metro Cincy I get the feeling that it is growing......driving around metro Cleveland I get the feeling that someone pulled life support and the city has started its decline toward death. MSA numbers seem to back this up.

Talking about city populations is really pointless. The city of Cleveland and the city of Atlanta are pretty close in population, but Metro Atlanta has over twice as many people. The city of Toledo and the city of Cincy have roughly the same population, but Cincy is clearly a larger metro area.

And what is this discussion about NE Ohio having 4.5 million people? There are people that live in NE Ohio and live 1.5 hours away from Cleveland. They clearly aren't in Cleveland's metro area. If Cleveland get to county "NE Ohio" in its population then Cincy should get to count all of Southern Ohio and Norhern Kentucky.