Dayton+Cincinnati=Good? (Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown: rentals, housing, estimates)

[JefferyT]

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Mainly because the auto industry is going away.

[unusualfire]

I got to this a little late, but here it goes. The Dayton metro area has been hit hard but layoff's. Some of these people have to work somewhere and they may choose to work 20 miles down the road in The Cincinnati metro area.

I don't know why people always measure downtown to downtown. How would that look? You living in one metro's downtown but live in another metro's downtown.

Downtown Dayton is only 14 miles from Cincinnati MSA(Warren,Butler counties). The minneapolis,St paul, St cloud csa covers an area much larger than the a combined Cincinnati Dayton CSA. As well as Baltimore-Washington, Saint Louis, Dallas-Fort Worth.

Why doesn't Cleveland complain about Saint Louis since it covers an area larger than the whole state of New Jersy.

Why not complain about Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne which is now one CSA of 2.7 million? But you can't tell between the development between the two that they are one combined metro. Its all about commuting patterns.

Why not complain about Sacramento who has a city(Truckee) over 100 miles from it's downtown in it's CSA?

[Funky C]

I don't really see how this would change much.

[BelieveInCleve]

All theyre doing is changing the name of the Metro. Its not like Dayton all of a sudden moved 40 miles closer to Cincinnati. Same thing if Akron-Canton or Youngstown was added to the Cleveland Metro.

[hillside]

the media market will change, as will the transportation funding structure. it is indeed a big deal.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Cle440

All theyre doing is changing the name of the Metro. Its not like Dayton all of a sudden moved 40 miles closer to Cincinnati.

What would be happening is a recognition of the reality that the area between the two cities is being/has been "urbanized" and in that respect "Dayton" and "Cincinnati" ARE moving closer together -- no not the acutal municipal boundaries but the COMMUNITIES.

I can remember 30 years ago that in a trip from Cincinnati to Dayton was traveling between two distinct population centers with substantial green space between them. This is no longer the case.

And it's not just bedroom communities that are being built between the two municipalities but vital commerce facilities like hospitals and business centers.

I know this would never happen but, it would be great if some wise, forward thinking planner somewhere would decide to put a regional airport somewhere between corporate Cincinnati and corporate Dayton.

Dayton's airport is small and located on the city's north; Cincinnati's airport is located to its south (thanks to the Democrat party of the 1940's) and is attrophying due to the monopolistic practices of Delta Airlines.

A new regional airport located conveniently in the metroplex would spark ecomonic development that would make our heads spin!

[SATEXAS]

Originally Posted by the_pines

I don't understand how this would be a good thing or change anything for that matter. Dayton is sixty miles away from Cincinnati. Its just about as close to Columbus as it is to Cincinnati. If things allow, Dayton and Columbus would surely start growing nearer to each other. Then what? Initially without hearing any good reasons I don't like the idea one bit. Dayton was always its own city. There might be one percent of people who drive to Cincinnati for work. Dayton has as much history as Columbus even though its much smaller. This doesn't seem realistic in anyway. Dayton is a full fledged city, and always has been. Its not suburb or town.

Is the reasoning to stimulate growth? I understand very well Ohio cities have been decaying for a long time, and Dayton is definitely one of those. I still haven't lost hope. Shrinking isn't necessarily a death sentence. The area was bound to see a lot of shrinking as newer areas and new infrastructure sprung up. I'm very peculiar about the city. Also I don't know that Daytonians and Cincinnatian's are all that similar. Dayton has always had liberal undertones, and its traditionally a very moderate city. Cincinnati needs to resolve some ethnic problems and prove to itself it can be a better city overall before thinking about another city.

And quite frankly, Cincinnati has never had the influence or power to absorb Dayton. Maybe a small town like Middletown, but theres no way Cincinnati has never had any great amount of influence on Daytonian's. Most Daytonian's avoid Cincinnati. Or periodically go there for the Fourth of July fireworks show, or Kings Island, or a sports game. That's about it. Cincinnati is very alien to some Daytonian's.

I don't mean to stray from the subject, but you mentioned ethnic problems. What ethnic challenges does Cincinnati currently have? I am from the South and may be relocating to your city. The discussions on this website have been extremely helpful in learning about my future home.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by hillside

the media market will change, as will the transportation funding structure. it is indeed a big deal.

Hell, the media markets are already starting to. There's a thread in UrbanOhio about it.

I also agree with the funding and transportation. We're all familiar with the area, how it changes and grows and also the individuality, but Cin-Day being recognized by the census as a single metro will enable us to receive more funding (which we should). Retailers also take note of these changes, because they have a Real Estate divisions.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Hell, the media markets are already starting to. There's a thread in UrbanOhio about it.

I also agree with the funding and transportation. We're all familiar with the area, how it changes and grows and also the individuality, but Cin-Day being recognized by the census as a single metro will enable us to receive more funding (which we should). Retailers also take note of these changes, because they have a Real Estate divisions.

not to mention cincinnati will be the largest MSA and CSA in ohio. i think perceptions will start to change about cinci nationally soon enough.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Our metro passed up Cleveland's already.

No. But with dayton you should..

But it really makes no sense. Why Cleveland and Akron/Canton aren't in the same MSA and Cinci and Dayton are is quite retarded.

If Cleveland, Lorain, Akron, Canton, etc were all the same MSA it would make up a population of 4.5 million. About 40% of the states population.

And LOL, the area between Dayton and Cinci has become urbanized? The area between Cleveland and Akron has been urbanized for years.