Dayton+Cincinnati=Good? (Cleveland, Lorain, Hamilton: apartment complex, townhomes, high school)

[Cincy-Rise]

Lakewood @ 10k is very impressive! The others are about what you'd expect with any large city. How's Lakewood doing in the population growth category?

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Lakewood @ 10k is very impressive! The others are about what you'd expect with any large city. How's Lakewood doing in the population growth category?

Lakewood has been losing people actually. Still, it's a great city and actually is the most densely populated city from NYC to Chicago. If you haven't been to Lakewood and are in the Cleveland are, give it a go! It's a fun community.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

Lakewood has been losing people actually. Still, it's a great city and actually is the most densely populated city from NYC to Chicago. If you haven't been to Lakewood and are in the Cleveland are, give it a go! It's a fun community.

I was in Lakewood last time I was up. I think I stayed in a Best Western?

[hillside]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

Lakewood has been losing people actually. Still, it's a great city and actually is the most densely populated city from NYC to Chicago. If you haven't been to Lakewood and are in the Cleveland are, give it a go! It's a fun community.

otr was once the most densely populated community in the country outside manhattan at a time. even cities like baltimore and philly, their areas of highest density (4-story rows, 5 story apts), it doesn't exceed the maximum density of downtown cincinnati. you see 4, 5, and 6 story buildings, typically 3-5, much like sections of boston and nyc. cincinnati is one of the "taller" cities, in that three and four stories seems to get thrown in everywhere. philly is continuously 2-story going north and south.

cle440, have you been to boston? it's similar to cincinnati in that almost every neighborhood has its own urban vibe, are contrastingly different, but amazingly fit together in a culmination at the old city east and south of downtown. the city builds stamina as you drive from outside the city and get closer and closer to downtown, then you're set back by this colorful urban jungle. a few miles and thousands of buildings later, and you're in the cbd. cincinnati is like brooklyn without the hi-rise projects, cleveland is like the backstreets of queens.

they don't call cincinnati and cleveland "day and night" for no reason. for guys who know a lot about cincinnati, you didn't notice the rowhouses in carthage coming south on route 4, northside, the old westside, mount adams, colerain ave, uptown...

cle440, i'm from the bond hill-avondale area, yes. have you been to avondale or bond hill?

wood frame? CLEVELAND is calling cincinnati wood frame? something isn't adding up...

you don't have a clue about cincinnati, get on google streetview or something, but don't sit up here making asinine statements. if you think rowhouses and towns are only downtown, actually exploring cincinnati instead of pretending to have done such might open up a whole new world for you.

[Cincy-Rise]

For *****s and giggles ... here are a few old-skool shots... Enjoy!

West End - Year Unknown. Prob early-to-mid 1900's ... This area would be compared to NY's 5-Points. It was nasty, over-crowded, poor, and ran by Europeans


http://i.pbase.com/u43/montecarloss/...Cincinnati.jpg


This is Over-The-Rhine 1941 ... This photo makes me want to vomit, seeing what used to be there:



http://i.pbase.com/u44/montecarloss/...nati1941a.jpeg

[Cincy-Rise]

It doesn't even look like there's streets in that OTR shot.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

It doesn't even look like there's streets in that OTR shot.

biggest mistake in cincinnati history = tearing down the west end. we have to rebuild it ASAP. get rid of that defunct light industry, public housing, and build the neighborhood to union terminal just like it was. throw the redirection of downtown 75 in with the bridge project if that's quicker, but it needs to shoot straight down, and along the river. it would still enclose downtown, but it could be done neatly.

while we're at it, get rid of that garbage on central parkway and put some decent cincinnati buildings there.

[1watertiger]

Greater Cleveland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia cinci and cleveland are both large urban areas. officially cinci will be listed as the largest by current csa/msa standards. IMO if you include dayton/cinci metros together, you should include akron,youngstown and canton to cleveland. the cummutes and urban connectivity are about the same. stats/msa,csa's are VERY subjective, read above and you decide.

[BelieveInCleve]

The time your referring to with OTR is around over 100 years ago. Thats not relevant, I might as well say Robert Taylor was once the largest public housing project in America to imply that means the neighborhood has a very high density now, even though it doesnt even exist anymore... Ive been to NYC many times, all boroughs. Cincinnati is much more like Staten Island than any of the other ones. Cincinnati looks nothing like Brooklyn at all, nothing. Brooklyn is pretty much all row-houses with some high rises around downtown and a few other areas. Im talking connected brick rowhouses and brownstones for almost the entire 70 sq miles of Brooklyn, and lets not forget the fact that Brooklyn is 35,000/sq mile while Cincinnati is 4,200/sq mile. Brooklyn is also mostly flat, while Cincinnati is hilly. Sure hillside, Cincinnati is so much like Brooklyn, sure hillside...sure(sarcastic in case you didnt notice)...wow lol.

How am I not going to have a clue about Cincinnati when I was there for 2 entire seperate summers? I lived there for 8 months and on top of that have visited many times. Ive seen nearly every neighborhood in that city. The Bond Hill/Avondale that I remember barely had any row houses. It was pretty much entirely lower-density urban housing, wood and brick frame single family houses with some brick apartment complexes and a few low-rises. You have to understand that your bias for Cincinnati is almost always disagreeing with the actual truth and facts. This is one of the most noticable, and ridiculous examples of that. Boston was kind of a ridiculous comparison also, but comparing Cincinnati to Brooklyn...thats comedy.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

The time your referring to with OTR is around over 100 years ago. Thats not relevant, I might as well say Robert Taylor was once the largest public housing project in America to imply that means the neighborhood has a very high density now, even though it doesnt even exist anymore... Ive been to NYC many times, all boroughs. Cincinnati is much more like Staten Island than any of the other ones. Cincinnati looks nothing like Brooklyn at all, nothing. Brooklyn is pretty much all row-houses with some high rises around downtown and a few other areas. Im talking connected brick rowhouses and brownstones for almost the entire 70 sq miles of Brooklyn, and lets not forget the fact that Brooklyn is 35,000/sq mile while Cincinnati is 4,200/sq mile. Brooklyn is also mostly flat, while Cincinnati is hilly. Sure hillside, Cincinnati is so much like Brooklyn, sure hillside...sure(sarcastic in case you didnt notice)...wow lol.

How am I not going to have a clue about Cincinnati when I was there for 2 entire seperate summers? I lived there for 8 months and on top of that have visited many times. Ive seen nearly every neighborhood in that city. The Bond Hill/Avondale that I remember barely had any row houses. It was pretty much entirely lower-density urban housing, wood and brick frame single family houses with some brick apartment complexes and a few low-rises. You have to understand that your bias for Cincinnati is almost always disagreeing with the actual truth and facts. This is one of the most noticable, and ridiculous examples of that. Boston was kind of a ridiculous comparison also, but comparing Cincinnati to Brooklyn...thats comedy.

rowhouses, tenements, roadhouses, fire escapes...the east coast is much more centered around contiguous zoning, but the idea is the same. of course brooklyn is more dense. this is not groundbreaking.

bond hill/avondale are not rowhouse areas. i'm convinced you know nothing about cincinnati.

cleveland has a higher pop.density b/c the city has more people. there's no getting around it. i'm not sure why you're arguing about it in the first place. cleveland has very few rowhouses, and it's core areas are as old as some of cincinnati's outer areas.