POLL: Best skyline in Ohio? (Cincinnati, Hamilton: retire, health, metro)

[1watertiger]

what flagpole, i cant see it.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by aquila

Fine....answer my question about the rollercoaster. It's the same principle. NO ONE considers the "Remain seated at all times" sign at the top of a lift hill to be included in ANY height references for the ride.

Ridiculous comparison. A roller-coasters drop is from the tracks.

Why is this just NOW being mentioned with respect to Carew's height? It's never been an issue in the 70+ years since it's construction. It's never ONCE been mentioned in ANY historical references. If you guys want to hype it up now, be my guest. I think it's STUPID....but be my guest.

I seriously doubt that your opinion has any crucial meaning to whether or not this should be counted, career-wise? I could be wrong.

Obviously, this whole subject is a matter of opinion, and there are differences among architecture enthusiasts as to whether the flagpoles should be included in a building's height.

... but a TV antenna is??? Riiiiight.

Because the architectural world is divided on this subject.

As you can see. They clearly are not. Did you not read any of the examples I posted above? Do I need to post more?

The only reason it is supposedly now included as part of the height is for pure ego's sake.

Where have you been? Have you ready any of these post?

The debate started because on building (A) it is counted and on building (B) it is not.



You love arguing to just argue. You don't bring anything constructive to the conversation. If you want to pick a fight, then you're doing a pretty good job. We're trying to discuss this topic from a factual standpoint and your negative, opinionated comments aren't adding anything positive.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by hillside

cle440, want a flagpole?
Commercial Flagpoles: Choosing Heights
this is a little old, but the numbers support what i've been saying all along.
Hamilton's crime rate surges

This argument is stupid, and if you noticed, in all my posts in the "argument" I planned on ending it. That last post that I put up should have ENDED it, you have nothing left to say after that. The fact is that BP is taller than Carew tower, deal with it, end of argument. There is no official height with the flagpole added, so it doesnt count, its 574 ft tall. If you do add the flag pole, Carew Tower could possibly be 1 ft taller, are you happy now?. Again as I said, these are the tallest in Ohio "officially" 1. Key tower 2. Terminal tower 3. BP, ...Thats over with.

And the funny thing with the link you provided is that those are the same stats that the LPD (aka one of the most corrupt police forces in the country) "releases" and the same exact stats on city-data page. Those are also from 7 years ago...you cant be serious. If your trying to tell me that Hamilton..., Springfield..., and Toledo...are more dangerous than CLEVELAND(aka 7th, now 10th most dangerous in the USA), you MUST be out of your mind. You really agree that Hamilton is more dangerous than Youngstown?...And according to your (Hillsides) logic, Hamilton (and every other city in the US) is more dangerous than EAST CLEVELAND, is anybody else listening to this? Come on Hillside, even YOU have more sense than to believe that. Everybody that knows about Lorain will tell you that the crime rate is MUCH HIGHER than the US average, most will say 2-3 times. Again, youve never lived or even been to Lorain before (but you admitted that), so you cant honestly add any more to this argument, your a joke when it comes to this and have no credibility left. Lorain is BAD, thats no exaggeration, I WISH I was lying...but thanks for changing the subject again because you lost all the other arguments (that should have never been arguments to start with). Unless you have something new or decent to add, dont even bother replying back. End of "argument".

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

This argument is stupid, and if you noticed, in all my posts in the "argument" I planned on ending it. That last post that I put up should have ENDED it, you have nothing left to say after that. The fact is that BP is taller than Carew tower, deal with it, end of argument. There is no official height with the flagpole added, so it doesnt count, its 574 ft tall. If you do add the flag pole, Carew Tower could possibly be 1 ft taller, are you happy now?. Again as I said, these are the tallest in Ohio "officially" 1. Key tower 2. Terminal tower 3. BP, ...Thats over with.

And the funny thing with the link you provided is that those are the same stats that the LPD (aka one of the most corrupt police forces in the country) "releases" and the same exact stats on city-data page. Those are also from 7 years ago...you cant be serious. If your trying to tell me that Hamilton..., Springfield..., and Toledo...are more dangerous than CLEVELAND(aka 7th, now 10th most dangerous in the USA), you MUST be out of your mind. You really agree that Hamilton is more dangerous than Youngstown?...And according to your (Hillsides) logic, Hamilton (and every other city in the US) is more dangerous than EAST CLEVELAND, is anybody else listening to this? Come on Hillside, even YOU have more sense than to believe that. Everybody that knows about Lorain will tell you that the crime rate is MUCH HIGHER than the US average, most will say 2-3 times. Again, youve never lived or even been to Lorain before (but you admitted that), so you cant honestly add any more to this argument, your a joke when it comes to this and have no credibility left. Lorain is BAD, thats no exaggeration, I WISH I was lying...but thanks for changing the subject again because you lost all the other arguments (that should have never been arguments to start with). Unless you have something new or decent to add, dont even bother replying back. End of "argument".

you don't tell me what to do. ever, and please, don't try it again.

credibility-

-is he from lorain, or cleveland? he lived in cincinnati, but he knows nothing of the city...

-he studies urban areas for a living, is admittedly unemployed, but has scant knowledge and stand-alone proof of his own region. there's two ways that can go, and neither are good.

-he compared cleveland's skyline to chicago. this HAS to be one of the more egregious errors cle440 has made in his long career, similar to george grande.

-he has a pattern. cle440 enters conversations by:

1. replying to something about cleveland, or ohio-related, and claiming a falsehood in order to boost cleveland. more than occasionally he will run off a list of amenities.

2. putting down another ohio city outside NE, and claiming that there has been a great event, a new beginning after millions of years, that there is no way to argue a question, and he is viktor, conqueror of all logic.

3. pointing out cleveland's many flaws, allowing other posters to chime in, usually after someone really let the city have it, he'll back off and note that he would rather live in cleveland over detroit, cincinnati and various other locales. he will again list cleveland's amenities.

the most annoying thing about cle440 is, he asks for proof with rare confidence, but when you put it in front of him, he can't eat it with a fork like a man.

[scioto]

I think that Cincy, Cleveland, and Columbus skylines all have good attributes. Cleveland has the tallest building in Ohio. Cincy has a dense skyline with a nice setting , while Columbus has a few interesting modern style skyscrapers. Cleveland does have a couple of the tallest buildings in Ohio, but I do remember reading that Columbus has at least five skysrapers over 500 feet tall making it the tallest skyline in Ohio.

Now that fact dosen't make one skyline better than the other, but it does show how height statistics can be viewed in several different ways.
I just hope all of Ohio cities continue to grow, and that we may see future highrises built in all three of these cities.

[BelieveInCleve]

Hillside, this post is going to be strictly addressing what you just said. Ill tell you the rest at the end of the post:

- I was born in Cleveland (near-westside) and lived there for only a few years, than spent the rest of my life up until about age 23 living in Central Lorain and South Elyria (from 03 til recently Ive technically lived in N Ridgeville, but thats also when I did most my traveling, I was gone 3/4 of the time). I spent a short time of my adult life in Cleveland and had a few short stints living there in my childhood. So where am I from? I was born in Cleveland but grew up mostly in Lorain. I NEVER flip flopped on this. I worked summer jobs 2 whole seperate summers in Cincinnati, lived there for 8 months combined not counting ocassional visits since I have family down there. I know a lot more about Cincinnati and Hamilton than you know about Cleveland and Lorain, thats obvious.

- Yes I study urban areas, and I admitted I was unemployed. Its hard to get a job when you dropped out of high school and barely got a diploma later, that and just me and my history (I wont get into details) keep me from getting a job. I work side jobs and things with friends/family, thats all I will say.

- I NEVER compared Clevelands skyline directly to Chicagos. Jesus, how many times do I have to tell this to you people? I said it was more similar to Chicagos than any other in Ohio and had a lot of similarities with it, and thats true. I NEVER said it was anywhere close to being able to compete with Chicagos.

1. What? Umm not really. I dont do that anymore than you do with Cincinnati, think about it. And I stated a few times that the only reason I joined city-data was to educate people about the area and clear up misconceptions. Mostly about Cleveland but other areas/things that I know about also. I believe I have contributed positively, I tell the truth, like it or not.

2. Again, I dont do it anymore than you do with Cincinnati. If anything Im MUCH more fair to other areas than you are to areas outside of SW Ohio. I just happen to know a lot more about most this stuff than most people. I dont know everything, but I know a lot.

3. This one I really have no idea what your talking about. I dont recall ever doing that. And for the last one, thats just ridiculous. I dont remember that ever happening to me where the other person had credible evidence or facts. (Talking about "eating it like a man" lets talk about the Very Obvious errors in the facts, and the fact that you NEVER swallow your pride and admit that your wrong, even if you get completely proved wrong and every single person, but you, agrees that your wrong). If your talking about the Lorain Crime, I addressed that issue. As did a few others. Again, by your logic, Parma is more dangerous than East Cleveland. Thats a joke.

Lets get down to the main issue Hillside. You dont like me because I tell the truth and dont agree with what you say. I challenge you, you feel threatened by me that I happen to know just as much as you about most things, if not more. When you say false things, you would be happy if noone challenged it, but I do. But most importantly, this is not the place to argue about this stuff and I hope this will be the last post in this argument I will have to put in here. Ill try to be polite about this, I never told you what to do and Im still not, I wouldnt want the same done to me. We can either continue to argue in here (Best Skyline Thread...yeah we went way off topic) or do it someplace else. So please, for my sake, your sake, and the sake of everybody else that visits city-data, can we please do this someplace else? Were (including me) making the Ohio forum look like a joke. Send me a PM or say that you want me to make a thread so we can discuss these matters in an appropriate place. Or better yet, make the thread yourself and we can argue or debate in there. Everyone can agree this is not the right place. Thank You.

[ScranBarre]

Is it group hug time yet?!

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Hillside, this post is going to be strictly addressing what you just said. Ill tell you the rest at the end of the post:

- I was born in Cleveland (near-westside) and lived there for only a few years, than spent the rest of my life up until about age 23 living in Central Lorain and South Elyria (from 03 til recently Ive technically lived in N Ridgeville, but thats also when I did most my traveling, I was gone 3/4 of the time). I spent a short time of my adult life in Cleveland and had a few short stints living there in my childhood. So where am I from? I was born in Cleveland but grew up mostly in Lorain. I NEVER flip flopped on this. I worked summer jobs 2 whole seperate summers in Cincinnati, lived there for 8 months combined not counting ocassional visits since I have family down there. I know a lot more about Cincinnati and Hamilton than you know about Cleveland and Lorain, thats obvious.

- Yes I study urban areas, and I admitted I was unemployed. Its hard to get a job when you dropped out of high school and barely got a diploma later, that and just me and my history (I wont get into details) keep me from getting a job. I work side jobs and things with friends/family, thats all I will say.

- I NEVER compared Clevelands skyline directly to Chicagos. Jesus, how many times do I have to tell this to you people? I said it was more similar to Chicagos than any other in Ohio and had a lot of similarities with it, and thats true. I NEVER said it was anywhere close to being able to compete with Chicagos.

1. What? Umm not really. I dont do that anymore than you do with Cincinnati, think about it. And I stated a few times that the only reason I joined city-data was to educate people about the area and clear up misconceptions. Mostly about Cleveland but other areas/things that I know about also. I believe I have contributed positively, I tell the truth, like it or not.

2. Again, I dont do it anymore than you do with Cincinnati. If anything Im MUCH more fair to other areas than you are to areas outside of SW Ohio. I just happen to know a lot more about most this stuff than most people. I dont know everything, but I know a lot.

3. This one I really have no idea what your talking about. I dont recall ever doing that. And for the last one, thats just ridiculous. I dont remember that ever happening to me where the other person had credible evidence or facts. (Talking about "eating it like a man" lets talk about the Very Obvious errors in the facts, and the fact that you NEVER swallow your pride and admit that your wrong, even if you get completely proved wrong and every single person, but you, agrees that your wrong). If your talking about the Lorain Crime, I addressed that issue. As did a few others. Again, by your logic, Parma is more dangerous than East Cleveland. Thats a joke.

Lets get down to the main issue Hillside. You dont like me because I tell the truth and dont agree with what you say. I challenge you, you feel threatened by me that I happen to know just as much as you about most things, if not more. When you say false things, you would be happy if noone challenged it, but I do. But most importantly, this is not the place to argue about this stuff and I hope this will be the last post in this argument I will have to put in here. Ill try to be polite about this, I never told you what to do and Im still not, I wouldnt want the same done to me. We can either continue to argue in here (Best Skyline Thread...yeah we went way off topic) or do it someplace else. So please, for my sake, your sake, and the sake of everybody else that visits city-data, can we please do this someplace else? Were (including me) making the Ohio forum look like a joke. Send me a PM or say that you want me to make a thread so we can discuss these matters in an appropriate place. Or better yet, make the thread yourself and we can argue or debate in there. Everyone can agree this is not the right place. Thank You.

how bout i retire it on this....the last 2 topics we've debated (lorain and skylines), i've had links. the last one was from an ohio newspaper...but everything is always false, or devoid of knowledge. i don't want to argue any more, so i'm cool to drop it as well.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by scioto

I think that Cincy, Cleveland, and Columbus skylines all have good attributes. Cleveland has the tallest building in Ohio. Cincy has a dense skyline with a nice setting , while Columbus has a few interesting modern style skyscrapers. Cleveland does have a couple of the tallest buildings in Ohio, but I do remember reading that Columbus has at least five skysrapers over 500 feet tall making it the tallest skyline in Ohio.

Now that fact dosen't make one skyline better than the other, but it does show how height statistics can be viewed in several different ways.
I just hope all of Ohio cities continue to grow, and that we may see future highrises built in all three of these cities.

The most level-headed post in this thread. Thank you.

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

The most level-headed post in this thread. Thank you.

Agreed. Keeping one's emotions in-check seems to be unusually complicated for some reason on this forum (and this is coming from someone who posts routinely on the NEPA sub-forum, which is Yac's worst nightmare for political bickering!) LOL!