Ohio's problem..we're becoming a BLUE state. (condo, money)

[GraniteStater]

Most of the urban centers went for Obama (around the US), the suburbs tended to be more evenly split, while the rural areas went for McCain in much larger numbers.

[nebulous1]

Originally Posted by Slash83

I hate to admit it - but this state is slowly becoming democratic. I wouldn't be surprised if it's blue come November. For some reason people like that idea yet this state has high unemployment, dirty rotten cities like Youngstown, all of our big cities are ran by democrats - yet people love those democrats! Tell me what these democrats running our cities have gotten us. Don't blame Bush like you want...it's our fault. How about the governor proposal..wants to tax groceries..what in the..?

All of our cities are pretty much dying, or are already in the graveyard (Youngstown..Canton..Northeast Ohio..it's slowly spreading throughout the rest of the state like a cancer). People are moving from Ohio so fast, it's like an asteroid is coming to kill us all and people want to move to survive.

The economy in the whole state is just bad. Face it - there are jobs here, but people are stuck for months, or over a year trying to find one. Those of us that have jobs here that are not flipping burgers are blessed. If you want to find a job you have to set sea like Christopher Columbus and search ages for new land.

Kentucky is south of us, Louisville and Lexington are both booming cities and have a lot of development. NKY as well (wonder where all those people that live in Cincy went to?). Louisville, Lexington, Bowling Green, and NKY are all BOOMING areas. Keyword BOOMING. Good economy, Clean cities, low crime. Now, I know Eastern KY is not the best, but the rest of the state is. Tennessee is south of that, it has Nashville as it's capital with a lot going on there and the rest of the state is beautiful. Nashville has some issues with crime from what I know, but it has a great job market as does most of the state. Don't get me started on places like Texas either. What recession?

The more blue this state gets the more blacker it gets. I just read through the "Leaving Ohio? Get in line thread" again. It makes sense now.

I left Ohio for Indiana, then Indiana for the Southwest.
I hated the thought I had to leave for a job.
It felt like it should be a choice where I wanted to live.
But I did get desperate. Had to survive.
Never got to Jake's Field....
There was a time, if you lived in or near a big city, such as Cleveland, Columbus, or Cincinnati, you could find work, maybe not the greatest or what you wanted, but you could SURVIVE with a job with BENEFITS. Now, that isn't true, and the bad economy which was in the midwest for decades hit out here like gangbusters.
The government isn't going to fix it. They can't. Borrowing trillions, so the crooks can get their hands on more of the taxpayers' dollars isn't going to fix it.
Why can't those who run industry and business feel some connection to keep their businesses HERE and stop complaining that Americans cost more, when in FACT, Americans are the ones buying THEIR products?!?
No one can legislate that they stay here, but what kind of world do they want for their own children? Don't they care? Do they just care about the buck they make today? Well, the Chinese and the Indians are not going to buy their products.

BTW, I still root for the Tribe, and the Browns, and the Blue Jackets.

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by Slash83

I hate to admit it - but this state is slowly becoming democratic. I wouldn't be surprised if it's blue come November. For some reason people like that idea yet this state has high unemployment, dirty rotten cities like Youngstown, all of our big cities are ran by democrats - yet people love those democrats! Tell me what these democrats running our cities have gotten us. Don't blame Bush like you want...it's our fault. How about the governor proposal..wants to tax groceries..what in the..?

All of our cities are pretty much dying, or are already in the graveyard (Youngstown..Canton..Northeast Ohio..it's slowly spreading throughout the rest of the state like a cancer). People are moving from Ohio so fast, it's like an asteroid is coming to kill us all and people want to move to survive.

The economy in the whole state is just bad. Face it - there are jobs here, but people are stuck for months, or over a year trying to find one. Those of us that have jobs here that are not flipping burgers are blessed. If you want to find a job you have to set sea like Christopher Columbus and search ages for new land.

Kentucky is south of us, Louisville and Lexington are both booming cities and have a lot of development. NKY as well (wonder where all those people that live in Cincy went to?). Louisville, Lexington, Bowling Green, and NKY are all BOOMING areas. Keyword BOOMING. Good economy, Clean cities, low crime. Now, I know Eastern KY is not the best, but the rest of the state is. Tennessee is south of that, it has Nashville as it's capital with a lot going on there and the rest of the state is beautiful. Nashville has some issues with crime from what I know, but it has a great job market as does most of the state. Don't get me started on places like Texas either. What recession?

The more blue this state gets the more blacker it gets. I just read through the "Leaving Ohio? Get in line thread" again. It makes sense now.

Thats great, I like being a Democrat . It Moderator cut: *&*% off my whole republican (can't think for themselves) family.

[Crew Chief]

As an avid WLW listener (albeit with brain engaged vs the "mega dittos" crowd...) I'm neither a Republican NOR a Democrat, although I registered as a Democrat because I was so disgusted with the previous administration. Frankly, I don't believe there's a nickel's worth of difference between the two parties. Neither of them has working (as in paid by the hour or mile or salary that doesn't go very far in this economy) peoples' interests in mind. They tell us what we want to hear to get our votes, then it's "business as usual" once the election (or RE-election) is over with.

I'm with the Republicans when they talk about the ability to suceed if you're willing to work hard. I'm with them when they want to cut out entitlement programs that put money into the pockets of people who WON'T work. I'm with them.

I'm with the Republicans when they want to make it easier for businesses (especially small businesses) to operate with less government interference.

What stops me short of truly supporting the Republicans is that they cater only to fundamentalist Christians. No other beliefs are recognized, in their minds. I have no problems with anyone's beliefs. They just don't belong in the laws governing this nation.

As for the Democrats, they, ideally, should moderate the Republicans who want to let business run roughshod over the rights of employees and consumers. Less governmental interferance is fine, but there needs to be some way to make sure that workplaces are safe and that employees have reasonable rights when it comes to pay, benefits and working conditions. And that business always trumps the rights of the consumer just because they have more lawyers.

I realize that there's a very fine line beteween what's acceptable and what's not, because everyone's situation is different. certainly the CEO, the stockholders and the employeees have different priorities...

[tgasper]

Of course there is also the fact that Obama's message was very appealing to those of us who are fed up with the Republican Party for all the reasons yagisenin said. This was not a typical red/blue race - it literally came down to change vs status quo and after 8 years of Bush (and yes, I voted for him twice - she says with much shame) I couldn't afford any more of the status quo.

[NorthPoleMarathoner]

Originally Posted by tgasper

Of course there is also the fact that Obama's message was very appealing to those of us who are fed up with the Republican Party for all the reasons yagisenin said. This was not a typical red/blue race - it literally came down to change vs status quo and after 8 years of Bush (and yes, I voted for him twice - she says with much shame) I couldn't afford any more of the status quo.

President Obama hasn't done anything different than what Bush did?

What policies of Obama's is different than Bush's?


Bush supported the war on terrisom. Obama does.

Bush supported bail outs. Obama does.

Bush supported listening to U.S. citizens phone calls without a warrant. Obama does.

Bush supported federal control of the school system. Obama does.

Bush supported national healthcare. Obama does.

Bush supported nationalizing private industry. Obama does.

Bush tried terrorists in the U.S. and gave them constitutional rights. Obama wants to do the same.

Bush gave us deficit spending. Obama gives us the same.

Bush wants to stop global warming. Obama does.

I fail to see the difference between President Obama and former President Bush.

President Obama is the same as President Bush.
They are both big government liberals.

If people looked at what these people do instead of what they say it isn't difficult to see they almost always in agreement on policy.

[CLegal]

Originally Posted by NorthPoleMarathoner

President Obama hasn't done anything different than what Bush did?

What policies of Obama's is different than Bush's?


Bush supported the war on terrisom. Obama does.

Bush supported bail outs. Obama does.

Bush supported listening to U.S. citizens phone calls without a warrant. Obama does.

Bush supported federal control of the school system. Obama does.

Bush supported national healthcare. Obama does.

Bush supported nationalizing private industry. Obama does.

Bush tried terrorists in the U.S. and gave them constitutional rights. Obama wants to do the same.

Bush gave us deficit spending. Obama gives us the same.

Bush wants to stop global warming. Obama does.

I fail to see the difference between President Obama and former President Bush.

President Obama is the same as President Bush.
They are both big government liberals.

If people looked at what these people do instead of what they say it isn't difficult to see they almost always in agreement on policy.

I'll agree that at first glance, you're right. However, it's all about details. A portion of those decisions they agree on are political deathtraps. As in, a President would have to be stupid to go against. Like the terrorists, for example. What President would WILLINGLY treat prisoners unfairly, and risk causing international outrage over what would be seen as hypocrisy? I understand that it's a sensitive situation, but it's more important to keep a level head.

Also, some of your points are silly, like the global warming one. Who WOULDN'T want to stop that? What, could they be the same because they both like waffles?

During the election, even though I supported Obama, I told several people they were voting for him for the wrong reasons. They all expected near-instant change, which is impossible. No one man or administration can solve everything immediately.

Likewise, Obama detractors are almost the exact same. How fair is it to judge an administration on its first six months or less?

The point is this: this economical downturn has been brewing for ages. No one party or administration is solely responsible. The overall way that we all carried on is. Stupid bipartisanship is only making it worse

[NorthPoleMarathoner]

Originally Posted by CLegal

I'll agree that at first glance, you're right. However, it's all about details. A portion of those decisions they agree on are political deathtraps. As in, a President would have to be stupid to go against. Like the terrorists, for example. What President would WILLINGLY treat prisoners unfairly, and risk causing international outrage over what would be seen as hypocrisy? I understand that it's a sensitive situation, but it's more important to keep a level head.

Also, some of your points are silly, like the global warming one. Who WOULDN'T want to stop that? What, could they be the same because they both like waffles?

During the election, even though I supported Obama, I told several people they were voting for him for the wrong reasons. They all expected near-instant change, which is impossible. No one man or administration can solve everything immediately.

Likewise, Obama detractors are almost the exact same. How fair is it to judge an administration on its first six months or less?

The point is this: this economical downturn has been brewing for ages. No one party or administration is solely responsible. The overall way that we all carried on is. Stupid bipartisanship is only making it worse

As far as global warming goes 30,000 scientists just signed a petition and gave it to Congress saying that global warming was not happening and that CO2 is good fro teh environment. Plus, the planet has been cooling since 1998. So, anyone that wants to stop global warming is stupid since it isn't happening.

And please spare me this "it takes Time" nonsense. Obama campaigned that it was George Bush's policies that got us into financial trouble. Yet, his economic policies are the same. If Bush policies did this then why just overturn those policies?

And actually I think it very fair to judge an administration in the first 6 months. He's getting paid isn't he?

And stupid bipartinship is part of politics. You can't have government without it and still have a "free" society.

Anyway, I'm an anarchist. I find republicans and democrats at the national level amusing. They are pretty much the same. Although, I do have to admit that Obama is far left of anyone we have seen before. I'm really surprised people voted for him. Oh well, he ain't Bush.

[SCBeaches]

Originally Posted by NorthPoleMarathoner

As far as global warming goes 30,000 scientists just signed a petition and gave it to Congress saying that global warming was not happening and that CO2 is good fro teh environment. Plus, the planet has been cooling since 1998. So, anyone that wants to stop global warming is stupid since it isn't happening.

And please spare me this "it takes Time" nonsense. Obama campaigned that it was George Bush's policies that got us into financial trouble. Yet, his economic policies are the same. If Bush policies did this then why just overturn those policies?

And actually I think it very fair to judge an administration in the first 6 months. He's getting paid isn't he?

And stupid bipartinship is part of politics. You can't have government without it and still have a "free" society.

Anyway, I'm an anarchist. I find republicans and democrats at the national level amusing. They are pretty much the same. Although, I do have to admit that Obama is far left of anyone we have seen before. I'm really surprised people voted for him. Oh well, he ain't Bush.

Well said! I, and many, many others agree with you. SO many people who I know voted for Obama are now sorry they did. Hey, we tried to warn them.....

[Griffis]

Lots of interesting discussion here. I agree for the most part that the parties are not that dissimilar. It seems almost like a ruse to get people into this bipartisan fighting.

Political discourse in this country has been reduced to the level of high school football fans...Anything "democratic" is socialist and overwhelmingly liberal, anything "republican" is fascist and conservative to the extreme, etc.

That's nonsense, of course. The Republican Party abandoned conservativism nearly 30 years ago, and who can even pin down the "ideology" of the Democrats.

I think of them as two sides of the same coin. They are politicians. They aren't working for US, they are working for lobbyists and PAC money and will do and say whatever it takes to get votes and keep the people of this country at each others' throats.

It's sad to say, but in my lifetime there hasn't been a single candidate I've actually supported. Nobody that I thought "Well, this person inspires confidence and I'm sure can guide us well.."

Instead, it's always the lesser or two evils. "Well, I don't think much of this guy, but I SURE don't think this other guy is the right choice..."

How depressing is that?